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See, welcome to the pro-life hell that I talked about at the beginning.

No sense of how to actually change culture. They'll just scream "MURDERER!" and "JESUS!!!" all day long, leaving anyone who's normal to just shrug and walk away.

They're like the Howard Dean fanatics, but conservative.

No sense of how to actually change culture. They'll just scream "MURDERER!" and "JESUS!!!" all day long, leaving anyone who's normal to just shrug and walk away.

So... "normal" people like abortion and don't like Jesus? or "normal" people think Jesus supports abortion? or "normal" people don’t give a s**t about anything but them selves or "normal" people avoid confronting all the real implications of abortion.

I guess I'm not normal.

Yup. I never even mentioned what method my fiance and I intend to use for family planning and they jumped on me like fleas on a dog. That's just about what I figured would end up happening, unfortunately. It's a mindset that's tough for many to comprehend.

I do take the Pill (actually, the patch). *gasp* It's for purely medical reasons. I've never used it as a contraceptive, but it has helped me immensely in terms of caring for certain "female issues" which I will not discuss further in this forum. The rabid pro-lifers would rather keep me from having this relief because of the remote chance that the drug could be preventing implantation of a fertilized ovum.

For what it's worth, I feel that life begins at implantation. Many women who are actively trying to have a child will have an egg fertilized that then fails to implant. This apparently happens fairly often, and the woman rarely knows that an egg was even fertilized. As soon as that fertilized ovum implants, it's a pregnancy, and willfully terminating it is abortion. Before implantation, it's a crap shoot regardless of if the mother is intending to contracept or not.

I know of a pro-lifer who feels a woman with an ectopic pregnancy should allow herself to die, because surgery will kill the baby (who cannot survive anyways). That opinion will not win any hearts and minds to the pro-life cause.

Rabid pro-lifers only alienate those in society who are not ultra-religious by saying that "Jesus says you're killing your baby." There are far better ways to achieve pro-life goals without passing self-righteous judgement on those who choose to contracept. Feminists for Life is one secular group whose goals I share, yet they present their case without calling names or invoking a diety that many don't believe in anyways.

Ah, time to don my asbestos suit...