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To: Malsua
Tom Bombadil is also conspicuously missing. Other than these few issues, the movies are resonably close enough I can forgive the differences.

Yeah, minor differences. Like Galadriel being more of disturbing witch than Tolkien's model of devotional reverence for the Blessed Virgin. Treebeard coming off a little more buffoonish and Faramir is almost the exact opposite on screen as written in the book.

Again, minor differences that Jackson took in his view.

25 posted on 12/17/2003 10:09:30 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: Fledermaus
Like Galadriel being more of disturbing witch than Tolkien's model of devotional reverence for the Blessed Virgin

HI all!!! Havent gone to see it yet, but only because a brand spanking new house that we hope to move into over the holidays is ours, and its all I can think about, even thought hobbits in armor get my heart pumping!!

Am afraid I have to quibble a bit with you, Fledermaus. It is a common mistake people have in equating Galadriel with the Holy Mother, but I'd say Arwen is closer to Mary than Galadriel. Galadriel, if you read up on her history, was a very powerful figure in the early histories that Tolkien created, and if there were any sin ascribed to her, it was ambition. Many people got the idea in reading LOTR that she was some kind of groovy Earth Mother who was ready to dispense blessings. But in ME reality, she was one 'scary lady.' You don't mess with her. The test she was undergoing was whether or not she would insist on using methods that had failed her before in fighting evil, or submitting to the Grace of Iluvatar. This is hardly Marian in view.

Arwen has the closer mein of the Blessed Virgin in that she was kept as a treasure for Aragorn to obtain, and that with a GREAT cost. The only thing that bothers me about Arwen's tale is there is no resolution for her. She gets 'punished' for sacrificing herself to the Kingship, yet it is the fellowship that reaps the benefits. I have always been a bit unhappy with Tolkien for treating Arwen so harshly.

29 posted on 12/18/2003 7:41:23 AM PST by Alkhin (He thinks I need keeping in order.)
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