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Bush Says He Would Support Gay Marriage Ban
Fox News website ^ | Wednesday, December 17, 2003

Posted on 12/17/2003 11:29:17 AM PST by FormerLib

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:38:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bush43; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; marriageamendment; prisoners
The Homosexual Agenda has made it clear that this is what it will take to stop them from destroying the sanctity of marriage. Alright then, let's get moving!
1 posted on 12/17/2003 11:29:18 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
The position of this administration is that whatever legal arrangements people want to make, they're allowed to make, so long as it's embraced by the state or at the state level."

Too bad the 'black robes' down at the SCrOTUS doesnt feel that way...

2 posted on 12/17/2003 12:11:32 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: FormerLib
One can never destroy the 'sanctity' of marriage
However, the 'sacrament' of marriage is under attack.
And, our government was not granted the power to sanction
the sacrilegious appropriation of a sacrament as a political tool for hedonists.
3 posted on 12/17/2003 12:15:33 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: *Homosexual Agenda
ping!
4 posted on 12/17/2003 12:54:04 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: PaxMacian
The 'sanctity' was destroyed when the Government made marriage a legal status in the first place.
5 posted on 12/17/2003 1:10:37 PM PST by fiscally_right
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To: Hypocrit
Do NOT talk of the sanctity of marriage with a straight face.

Your post mentioned a lot of problems like high divorce rate, welfare. Those are unarguably bad problems. And you mentioned the pressure of society to conform to Leave It To Beaver norms as a bad thing. That's arguable.

But you didn't say anything persuasive about why we should not continue to respect marriage as it is.

7 posted on 12/17/2003 1:36:44 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Hypocrit
. Let's talk about the heterosexual fear of the homosexual taking better care of his/her family in marriage than heterosexuals do.

The institution of marriage exists to stabilize the heterosexual pair bond, which contributes greatly to the stability of society. The evidence from Holland is that marriage, at least between male homosexuals, does little to diminish their promiscuity.

Heterosexual relationships are different in kind from homosexual relationships. I see no particular societal benefit to institutionalizing the latter. The gay community would be far better off working to discourage their own self-destructive sexual behavior, which costs all of us billions of dollars a year, rather than this ridiculous campaign to try to draw an equivalence between the primary element of social structure, and a class of deviant sexual behavior.

8 posted on 12/17/2003 1:45:34 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: fiscally_right
Though the secularization of this sacrament
may have created a dissolute substitute, its
sanctity is still certainly inviolable.
9 posted on 12/17/2003 1:56:50 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: Hypocrit
Homosexual Agenda. That phrase, all by it's self is humorous.

Yeah, as funny as an STD.

Let's talk about the heterosexual fear of the homosexual taking better care of his/her family in marriage than heterosexuals do.

LOL! Oh, that's really funny! HOMOS CAN'T MARRY, you silly person!

And normal people aren't afraid of homosexuals. The correct word is "digust."

Let's talk about the fact that 50% of all marriages end in divorce.

Actually, that is not true. There are half as many divorces as marriages in a given year but the total number of marriages also includes all previous marriages that are intact. The divorce rate of those is no where near that high. Furthermore, it has been shown that most of the divorces in the US are not caused by people who are marrying for the first time, but folks who are marrying for the third, fourth, and fifth times.

Let's talk about how santified the institution of marriage really is.

Yes, it has taken a number of hits lately and our society has suffered because of it, which is why the time has come for us to realize we are on the wrong path and the only reasonable action is to reverse our course.

The last thing that we need to do is damage the institution even more by permitting homosexuals and/or groups to be legally "married."

By the way, you might as well declare it legal to make a silk purse from a pig's ear!

You cannnot blame the moral downfall of this country completely on the homosexual community.

I don't. But their growing prominence is certainly a mile-marker of "the moral downfall of this country."

We don't have abortions, we don't have unwanted pregnancies.

Nope, just anal cancers, STD's, HIV and AIDS.

We don't have families...

Period! That's right, you don't.

Do NOT talk of the sanctity of marriage with a straight face.

Do NOT tell me what to do, Mary! We will be restoring marriage and the family to their proper places in the country and you don't want to get it our way.

I say take marriage AWAY from the heterosexuals, god knows, you all can't handle it.

Yeah, so let's give it to the folks that God knows as an abomination! That certainly makes sense! LOL!

10 posted on 12/17/2003 2:47:56 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
In fact, I believe his rant has pointed out many reasons why we need to take dramatic steps to restore the institution of marriage and all of our other societal foundations that have been eroded by the leftists and their associated deviant ilk.
11 posted on 12/17/2003 2:51:11 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: FormerLib
You said: leftists and their associated deviant ilk have eroded our societal foundations.

I do not label gays as deviants nor do I label pro-gay-marriage folk as leftists. However, I do think there is a growing failure to preserve - conserve - certain norms that we regard as outdated or prejudiced. These intangibles continue to bring irreplaceable value to our culture but they are more fragile than we know.

Isn't there a middle ground where we have essentially modern culture, but we take the trouble to honor healthy things like monogamous marriage?

12 posted on 12/17/2003 3:18:43 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: FormerLib
The court, I thought, overreached its bounds as a court," Bush said in an interview with ABC News' Diane Sawyer. "It did the job of the Legislature."

Just like the Florida Rat Supremes tried to stiff-arm Bush's presidency.

Liberals love the courts - except when the ball doesn't bounce their way.

13 posted on 12/17/2003 3:21:25 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Isn't there a middle ground where we have essentially modern culture, but we take the trouble to honor healthy things like monogamous marriage?

For the folks who would like to see our country destroyed, there is no middle ground. They know that destroying our nation's founding principles is the best way to bring that about so they focus on things such as "homosexual marriage" for now. If they ever get that, we'll seem them back attempting to socialize major industries, such as health care, or eliminating opposing political parties because they are "hateful" or "homophobic" in short order.

14 posted on 12/18/2003 7:22:31 AM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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