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To: Non-Sequitur
What crap.

The vast majority of southerners were just as poor and stupid as the slaves were. Heck, there were probably more higher educated slaves than white trash moving up.

The institution of slavery, as pointed out, was loved by all until the South started getting more powerful economically and when their populations grew their respresentation in Congress grew and thus were a threat to the elite power brokers in the North.

Remember the 3/5ths compromise? Northernors didn't want slaves counted at all, much less 3 for 5. That again would increase the Congressional representation in the House for the South and, just like today, Northern elite Eurotrash can't stand it.

That's why they are going to run Howard Dean in yet ANOTHER version of liberal elitism. McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis didn't teach them a thing.

So, as usual with the ones defeated, they re-write history, as you do, to make their version pliable today. Everyone with a brain knew, at the time of the Civil War, that slavery was on it's last leg. The major plantation owners in the South were heavily diversified before the war and weren't even using slaves as much when they required a better educated workforce. Many sent their slaves to school or taught them themselves.

Mechanization was coming and in just a few short years the slaves would have been useless in the fields. But they sure were welcomed in the North to fill the factories and work in horrid conditions with long hours, low pay, and considered replaceable if they got sick or died. Just like all those coal miners living in Robert KKK Byrd's back yard.

And who were all those jerk-off Southerners you whine about so amusingly from the top of your smug throne? Democrats. All of them. Democrats until the day they died and Democrats for 120 years after the Civil War. Standing in the door houses of the schools, fighting integration, creating poll taxes and poll tests (they learned it from their buddies up North), etc.

Yes, the Civil War was about slavery. But that's only a major reason in today's concepts. Back then slavery was still a large worldwide practice and again, the North benefited and abused it just like everyone else. And in those days it was just "common knowledge" or "conventional wisdom" to say slaves weren't really equal men just like today it's conventional wisdom to believe in global warming.

So in those terms it's awful today, but back then it was just another straw on the camel's back of an overbearing federal government ignoring states rights. Lincoln had no intention of freeing any slave once he obtained office and was pushed into the Emancipation Proclamation which, if carefully read, doesn't really emancipate anyone unless under the most perfect circumstances.

Other state rights violated that you ignore, like most who don't want another point of view to invade their glass house, is free commerce, voting rights, laws overriding state legislatures and courts, etc.

For goodness sakes the North wanted to emgargo the South and STOP them from trading cotton with the French. Again, this would increase their power and grow their states and the North would suffer in representation. And once the war started they did put an embargo on their shipping lanes.

All because the South was getting ready to undercut their manufacturing base...as we did and still do today!

They passed all kinds of instrustive laws through Congress that only applied to the South because they had the numbers. They dictated commerce on the rivers, on the rails, on the roads, what could and could not be sold and when. And they taxed or force high fees on services. All through the legislative process and backed up by their cronies in the courts.

Sound familiar? It's still happening today, only a lot worse. States rights are all but gone. And the states are stupid enough to remain at the teat of the feds.

I'll give you one thing...you earn your nickname.




266 posted on 12/24/2003 2:32:57 AM PST by Fledermaus (Just to help out all of you morons on the left - an Orange Alert doesn't mean stockpiling juice!)
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To: Fledermaus
Everyone with a brain knew, at the time of the Civil War, that slavery was on it's last leg. The major plantation owners in the South were heavily diversified before the war and weren't even using slaves as much when they required a better educated workforce. Many sent their slaves to school or taught them themselves.

I would love to know what evidence you have that supports this ridiculous statement. Then we'll go over the other nonsense you posted.

268 posted on 12/24/2003 4:19:58 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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