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To: CatoRenasci
The John Adams bio was wonderful and did talk about Hemmings. Abigail apparently read the Calander accusations and said she thought all the slave owning southerners took liberties with slave women. After reading the Adams bio, I got a dislike of Jefferson. Adams seemed like a better man.
133 posted on 12/16/2003 4:45:10 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl
Abigail apparently read the Calander accusations and said she thought all the slave owning southerners took liberties with slave women.

Not much is spoken in our history books on the significance of miscegeny in maintaining slavery. Wherever men and women mix, sex often becomes an unspoken, undocumented, but overriding factor. Was there any doubt what the purpose of a light-skinned, young female slave would be on any plantation?

No one ever speaks of it, but I think sex is also a large part of what attracts men to radical Islam. Women have no rights. Men can marry four women at a time. A man can escape a rape charge simply by saying the sex was consensual.

137 posted on 12/16/2003 5:14:24 PM PST by Toskrin
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To: cajungirl
I have a reasonably high opinion of Adams, but always come back to Jefferson as absolutely essential to the American Experiment. Jefferson is not so much in fashion as he was 30 years ago, but his warnings against big government and his vision of a natural aristocracy of talent, should be engraved in all of our consciousnesses.

The most recent thing I read was Setting the World Ablaze, which focused on Adams, Jefferson and Washington by John Ferling. Based on having previously read with some care the chief scholarly biographies of Washington (Douglas Southall Freedman) and Jefferson (Dumas Malone) as well as some of more recent scurulous stuff on Jefferson, my sense was that these modern writers (I hesitate to call them historians even though they hold academic chairs in history) have it in for Jefferson. Many conversatives, especially religious conservatives, dislike Jefferson for his Deism and for his egalitarianism (though his was an egalitarianism of opportunity, not the modern one of result), and even for his generally being a man of the Enlightenment. My own view is that the American Experiment is fully bound up in, and inseparable from, the English and Scottish (at least) Enlightentments and our 'conservative' values today are the values that were seen as liberal, even radical, in their day: individual liberty, economic liberty, and religious tolerance.

148 posted on 12/17/2003 5:08:18 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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