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Both Dr. Atkins himself and the Doctor behind the latest Low Carb "malibu beach body" or whatever it is have on the record admitted that's what their diets do...

You'll get no quibble from me that one result is that people may end up taking in fewer calories, and yes, Atkins touted this as a side benefit. But to represent that Atkins "admitted" this was the sole mechanism at work, and that Atkins didn't ALSO indicate that you could take in MORE calories and still lose weight, is intellectially dishonest AND a misrepresentation of his position.

Hey, I don't have to convince you of anything, and you're perfectly free to consider me delusional or a liar about my own eating habits, despite not having a shred of proof to the contrary. But I'm just curious - do you consider everyone in these studies liars, or merely ignorant gits?

Beez,

Show me one study, where the put the Low Carb/no sugar diet up against traditional diets and exact calories were measured and show that those who lost weight on the low carb stuff actually increased their intake without increasing their burn... IE they ate more calories but did not have any more exercise of physical activity.

It doesn't exist. The typical american diet by and large is horrible... large depencies on breads which as I just posted 1 bun can have 2/3 of the calories of the meat and cheese inside of it! So by avoiding the bun the people avoid 1/3 of the calories they normally would have put in their bodies.

I'll believe your, unsubstatiated, claims that you can take in more calories on Atkins without modifying your burn and lose weight compaired to the caloric intake of the person before the diet. Show me any study that shows that conclusion in the general case, and then I'll change my tune.. but it doesn't exist.

Are there some people who react differently to different types of food? Sure there are, always will be, we are all unique individuals. However if the diet can allow you to "eat more CALORIES, and lose weight, without exercise or other increases of caloric burn" you are definately in the great minority.

Weight loss is simple mathematics, and I don't care who you are, or what diet you do.. .and yes not all diets work for all people, again we are all unique individuals. If you want to lose weight, you simply burn 3500 more calories than you take in per pound you wish to lose.. you can do this without changing your eating habbits by increasing your burn, through exercise or other method... you can do this by restricting caloric intake by changing your intake... or you can do it through a combination of the two.

At the end of the day every successful diet that works in the long term will at its core recommend BOTH less calories and more exercise. ANd suprise suprise, Atkins does both... though he plays the "eat only protien" card to get the caloric downplay, he still winds up with less calories in and recommends more calorie burn.

If the diet works for you then I am happy for you I really am, but pretending the magician truly is magical rather than using slight of hand or other principles to get the job done well is frankly self denial.

OH and just for the record, maybe you should read the last paragraph of the story regarding the "SMALL" study... which also did not take into any account caloric intake routeine before and after the diets were in place!.

But of course, that would be require analyzing facts that don't jive with the MARKETING.... whoops, forgot, can't do that.