To: pabianice
If the story is accurate, by the way, there's not a damned thing an ARMED citizen could have done unless they happened to be standing right next to the action.
The guy shot 2 people and left.
So if YOU were at the cash register, armed, exactly what would you have done? Shot the perp in the back? In his truck?
This kind of thing happens all the time, and will continue to happen regardless of CCW in any State.
34 posted on
12/16/2003 12:21:09 PM PST by
ninenot
(So many cats, so few recipes)
To: ninenot
Your point is a valid one. Here in TX, if the perp is attempting to flee, and poses no immediate threat to inflict bodily harm on you or others, you cannot use deadly force to stop him. You could order him to drop the weapon, but I'm sure this happened so fast, nobody had a chance to do anything. He was probably out the door before people could react. Now if you draw on him to defend yourself and he raises the gun towards you, he's fair game. The guys who got shot probably didn't have time to defend themselves, even if they did have a gun. If the shots were fired at very close range, some kind of martial arts would have come in handy, but it sounds like this guy unloaded on them (8 shots fired). A CCW holder more than likely would not have prevented these guys from getting shot. The only thing CCW would have done to prevent this is to be a deterrent to a criminal. Unfortunately most of the time, the criminal is not thinking about himself, and has no regard for the consequences. Like I said, CCW can act as a deterrent, but it's never going to stop the crazies from doing stupid acts.
36 posted on
12/16/2003 1:48:32 PM PST by
tx4guns
To: ninenot
So if YOU were at the cash register, armed, exactly what would you have done? Shot the perp in the back?Yes.
In his truck?
Even better. Makes hauling off his dead carcass easier.
This kind of thing happens all the time, and will continue to happen regardless of CCW in any State.
Of the 31 "Shall Issue" states, can you cite one example of something like that happening?
45 posted on
12/16/2003 3:07:28 PM PST by
garybob
(More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
To: ninenot
If the story is accurate, by the way, there's not a damned thing an ARMED citizen could have done unless they happened to be standing right next to the action. That's true.
The guy shot 2 people and left. So if YOU were at the cash register, armed, exactly what would you have done? Shot the perp in the back? In his truck?
Yes, I'd have dropped him, either in the front or the back or the side, whichever shot presented itself. If someone commits a shooting, an axing or a knifing and leaves with the weapon, the legal presumption is that he is on his way to commit another murder, and you are allowed to shoot him. It's a very clear exception to the "can't shoot a felon who's leaving" rule. These psychos often have a little list in their head. "After Lowe's, my old job. Then Mom's. Then the ex-wife."
This kind of thing happens all the time, and will continue to happen regardless of CCW in any State. I think the stats show it happens a lot less in states with CCW, that there is a clear dropoff in incidence. These guys are out to settle a score, and not get dropped in their tracks, (at least not before completing their "mission.")
46 posted on
12/16/2003 3:59:05 PM PST by
Travis McGee
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To: ninenot
So if YOU were at the cash register, armed, exactly what would you have done? Shot the perp in the back? In his truck?
I would have shot him in the back or in his truck and taken my chances with the jury. It would have been the right thing to do.
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