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To: RaceBannon; stands2reason
You're getting to be one scary person.

The simple act of standing at the kitchen sink doing dishes would tap me out and send me deep into the depression. I depleted seretonin by using larger muscles to stand and keep my balance, going through the process of washing and rinsing the dishes, and cleaning up afterwards. Emotions had nothing to do with it. The result, however, was uncontrollable crying jags while washing dishes because of the major imbalance due to the depletion of seretonin.

The brain is an organ like the rest of our body that can physically goes out of whack, regardless of emotions. It needs to rest and occasionally in some like me needs help to function properly. Claiming emotionally strength and willpower is the key to wellness is not only wrong but too much like all the New Age crap that failed me in the first place.

558 posted on 12/13/2003 6:03:47 PM PST by Ladysmith
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To: Ladysmith
What I think is scary, is that people who call themselves CHRISTIAN, are telling others that Jesus is NOT enough.

And the brain is the only organ that CAN be controlled by emotions, and it is US that control it.

I am not saying that it cant be influenced by disease or defect, but 99% of all emotional problems are brought upon people by themselves. And if they genuinely turn to the God of the Bible, they can find peace.

It is a shame that people who call themselves Christians don't believe this.
562 posted on 12/13/2003 6:14:17 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Ladysmith
Right. Physical factors and emotional factors are all involved in depression. To say it is one or the other is a complete misunderstanding.

To further complicate things, stress can deplete serotonin. So then you can't respond to the stress as well. So then serotonin gets more depleted, which basically causes more stress.

So then, you're trying to find your way out of what started as an emotional issue, but even with better coping mechanisms, you can't, because your very ABILITY to bounce back is gone.

So even with depression that starts with emotion, you have to get on a positive PHYSICAL improvement upswing, so that increased physical ability to deal and increased emotional ability to deal once again start reinforcing and you end up with a positive upward spiral instead of a negative downward one.

It's not easy to bring a downward spiral to a halt, and turn it into an upward spiral. Can it be done? Yes, but no one should assume it's just an easy thing to do.
566 posted on 12/13/2003 6:20:26 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Ladysmith; stands2reason
"The simple act of standing at the kitchen sink doing dishes would tap me out and send me deep into the depression. I depleted seretonin by using larger muscles to stand and keep my balance, going through the process of washing and rinsing the dishes, and cleaning up afterwards. Emotions had nothing to do with it. "

"Claiming emotionally strength and willpower is the key to wellness is not only wrong but too much like all the New Age crap that failed me in the first place."

You and stands2reason completely understand the problem. I urge anyone interested in the real facts of this issue to read both your posts.

I could go on for pages about the cognitive problems and physical pain and weakness. It has nothing to do with 'emotional problems' or lack of God, motivation, etc. And for many, drugs do nothing to relieve the 'negative' physical and cognitive symptoms.

People who are just situationally unhappy or hypo's are not the true sick people. No one hears from or about the truly sick people. Thanks for posting your experiences.

568 posted on 12/13/2003 6:26:19 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals (It's more than a lib/con thing- All 3 branches of govt colluded to limit the 1st amendmenthave been)
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To: Ladysmith
Bless you for your efforts, but really, anyone willing to blame schizophrenia on a failure of schizophrenics is really beyond the reach of understanding modern neuropsychiatry and pharmacology.

What's that you say? You have a spot on your brain MRI? That's a disease of the organ that we use to think and will and love. Anyone who thinks Jesus alone is not the answer isn't much of a Christian. Buck up! </sarcasm>

574 posted on 12/13/2003 6:39:11 PM PST by Petronski (Living life in a minor key.)
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