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These values generally teach that the solution is found in faith and faith alone. Faith will sustain and solve the problems.

I did not read the thread(s) you refered to, but I was told about them by my wife. Dispair and desparation and depression. Adressing these conditions is not JUST about relying on faith ALONE - Family and friends and strangers all can work with God to help those suffering from these aflictions.

I have seen depressed people shut themselves off from the rest of the world and in the process they have shut themselves off from those who might help them.

If you or anyone reading this are caught in the trap of depression or are filled with dispair and desparation then call a family member - or maybe better a Priest/Pastor/Rabbi or whatever...... Don't let it continue to grow. Too often it grows worse over time and it is so sad because there are treatments that can - and do - help.

Anyone can Freepmail me

[IronJack]

I would like to add this: if at any point in his or her life, any FReeper of whatever stripe feels that suicide is the only solution, I will be glad to talk to them about less drastic options.

I am NOT a psychologist or a trained counselor. I am not even a good Christian. All I am is another human being, and at that point, that may be all you need.