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How bad do things have to get before we do something?

Do something? Sure. Destroy the very things that make America great? No thank you.

Crichton's suggestion was legal, honorable, and potentially effective. Standing anyone who disagrees with you up against the wall was none of that (and even though I never thought you meant that literally, the implication was that we do whatever was expedient, legal or not).

In addition, what Crichton suggested was 'reasonable' in that there would be a reasonable chance to institute it. Having everyone vote the way you want - or die - would be effective, but if you're just going to dictate the way things should be with no implementation plan other than just declaring it shall be done then why not just declare yourself king and do things the way you want?

There's a lot of room between doing nothing and ineffective wishing for things that are just not going to happen.

In 1776 American colonists picked up guns and started shooting some people who disagreed with them. This was "illegal", they did not have a consensus and the only moral authority given for this action was that God was on their side. How bad do things have to get before we do likewise?

This is more than an issue of scientific credibility, it is about an evil liberal infection in our social structure that has corrupted not just the scientific community but our entire society.

The things I suggested in my previous post are not illegal or unconstitutional. You don't shoot people simply because you disagree with them, you do it for what they do -- in the case of liberals it is violating an oath of office to defend the Constitution. People have in the past been tried for treason and executed. And civil servant's blatant disregard for the constitution should be considered treason.

The Bill of Rights just took another blow a couple of days ago. The liberals get bolder and bolder -- how do we stop them? If there are no penalties they will continue as they have, but if they have to pay with their lives then they will think first. Liberals have gained control of most major institutions. Law, education, news media and entertainment media and now they are subverting corporations with political correctness. School children are being indoctrinated into Islam while Christian children are being expelled for praying over their lunch or reading the bible. Private property is confiscated and sold to chain stores. I could go on for another thousand pages.

This country was made great by the Constitution and the concept of limited government and those principles have been destroyed. So how bad do things have to get?