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CA: Total overhaul sought in funding for schools
Sac Bee ^ | 12/11/03 | Deb Kollers

Posted on 12/11/2003 7:11:53 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/12/2004 6:02:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's top education adviser is calling for a complete and dramatic overhaul of the way California pays for public schools.

Education Secretary Richard Riordan said Wednesday that in light of The Bee's recent investigation of school financing, the new Republican administration is expanding its proposals for education reform to include a new kind of student funding formula.


(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; funding; knife; rairdon; riordan; schools; sought; totaloverhaul; totalreform
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1 posted on 12/11/2003 7:11:53 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: *calgov2002
Such a shift would mark the first time in three decades that California has fundamentally addressed one of the most convoluted, political and deeply entrenched aspects of state spending -- and the biggest, at $41 billion a year.
2 posted on 12/11/2003 7:13:09 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Want to help Support Our Troops .. For some ideas, check out my profile. Thanks!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Under the approach Riordan has in mind, students would trigger uniform "weighted" dollar allotments for their schools, based on their learning needs

Great, the worse a school does, the money they will get. Why doesn't Ar-nold at least create a pilot school choice program...

3 posted on 12/11/2003 7:14:34 AM PST by 2banana
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To: NormsRevenge
students would trigger uniform "weighted" dollar allotments for their schools, based on their learning needs, rather than the random and inequitable amounts they now generate for their districts.

To each according to their need. Isn't that, along with the progressive income tax, what the country was founded on?

4 posted on 12/11/2003 7:16:54 AM PST by DManA
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To: 2banana
**Why doesn't Ar-nold at least create a pilot school choice program... **

These already exist throughout the state, under the Davis mentality.

5 posted on 12/11/2003 7:22:56 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: DManA
Karl Marx would sure be proud wouldn't he?
6 posted on 12/11/2003 7:23:57 AM PST by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Quality Education Commission"

Okay, here's an idea: Legalize "Right To Work" choice in the employment of school teachers. Abolish the "Forced Unionism" of public sector Teachers! Then, quality would return to California Education.

When you have "Forced Union" school-teachers instructing your children everyday, it is impossible to have "quality education". All you ever get is the "Forced Unionist" party line, indoctrinated under the cover of "Education".

But, do you think Riordan (married to a Democratic Party Forced Unionist symapthizer) and Swartzenegger (married to a Democratic Party Forced Unionist sympathizer) will ever even mention this?

As Steve Tyler sings: "Dream on!"

7 posted on 12/11/2003 7:24:49 AM PST by Aggressive Calvinist
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To: NormsRevenge
They need to cut some jobs out of the hierarchy so more money can get to the students!
8 posted on 12/11/2003 9:44:27 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis is now out of Arnoold's Office , Bout Time!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Amerigomag; All
If anyone has access to links, urls or has any information, flowcharts or table of organization, etc that can be posted to illustrate how many times money changes hands or how it flows, that might help to illuminate the situation of too many administrators and not enough indians or it may also show the union influence and / or involvement of school districts, how they spend and what they spend money on , etc.

Thanks in advance. I may do a bit of surfing myself to find some of those items I just mentioned.
9 posted on 12/11/2003 10:17:01 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Want to help Support Our Troops .. For some ideas, check out my profile. Thanks!)
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"The system is so mind-boggling," Riordan said. "It is impossible to understand."


Coming from an old Artillery Officer that some suspect may not be all there, so to speak, this is quite a statement.. And You see it in the Sac Bee and now here at FR. :-o

10 posted on 12/11/2003 10:19:23 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Want to help Support Our Troops .. For some ideas, check out my profile. Thanks!)
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Scott Plotkin, executive director of the California School Boards Association, said he worries that weighted formulas might not address California's numerous demographic and geographic differences.


Translation - It might upset the apple cart and disturb all the worms & maggots in the process.

11 posted on 12/11/2003 10:21:23 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Want to help Support Our Troops .. For some ideas, check out my profile. Thanks!)
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To: NormsRevenge
"We need to start from scratch and do a systematic reform of the entire system," said Riordan

Good! This is long overdue. The failures of public education -- with all of its guaranteed funding -- is the biggest scandal in state government, and yet it's been the biggest sacred cow. We homeschooled all three of our kids, each of whom is now in college, mainly because the schools in our small town are rotten. The dominance of such academic fantasies as "look-say" for reading, and "guess-and-check" for math have resulted in a growing number of illiterate kids not able to figure out the simplest math problem.

As I stated on a similar thread yesterday, I'll all in favor of ending public education as we know it, give parents $2000 a year per child in their family to pay for whatever education they want, and then spend the rest of the money that goes to education on the state's roads.

12 posted on 12/11/2003 10:27:32 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: All
A little background info in a series of articles from the Sac Bee


Paying for Schools: A series on how California pays for its schools

To our readers

Over the course of a year, The Sacramento Bee has looked deeply into how public schools are paid for in California. In three segments of "Paying for Schools," published during 2003, reporter Deb Kollars peeled back the layers of such little understood funding categories as categoricals, mandates and revenue limits. What she found was a system rife with problems.

The first segment, published in February, investigated the $12 billion spent on categorical funding - a complex web of more than 100 programs ranging from gifted and talented education to dropout prevention - much of which is distributed based on politics and outdated formulas.

In May, the second stories ran on state mandates, through which schools get extra money for such routine things as teaching the Gettysburg Address and preparing for earthquakes. They have cost the state about $1 billion in the past five years.

In the final segment, on the basic underlying money schools get to educate each child, California has managed to turn a $29 billion responsibility for basic school funding into yet another obstacle course of inequities.

13 posted on 12/11/2003 10:31:54 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Want to help Support Our Troops .. For some ideas, check out my profile. Thanks!)
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To: farmfriend; CounterCounterCulture; martin_fierro; Ernest_at_the_Beach
If ya can spare one, can I get a ping to stir the troops?

It's fer the children! ;-)

Thanks! :-)
14 posted on 12/11/2003 10:44:57 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Want to help Support Our Troops .. For some ideas, check out my profile. Thanks!)
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To: NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie
I got one spare stone to throw at the hornet's nest. Gotta ration those stones. Need 'em to cast at sinners. ;-)
15 posted on 12/11/2003 11:59:24 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: NormsRevenge; onyx; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Boot Hill; RonDog; DoctorZIn; seenenuf; ...
Been off doing other stuff, system seems slow as well.

Dow over 10,000 close!

Wells on CNBC about to talk about California Credit and The Governator is laying it on the line for the California Legislators!

Got my recorder going for her statement.

Republicans closed the Assembly (recess) to caucus.

16 posted on 12/11/2003 1:17:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis is now out of Arnoold's Office , Bout Time!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
System is s l o w!

Moody's is putting the pressure on California!

17 posted on 12/11/2003 1:25:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis is now out of Arnoold's Office , Bout Time!!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
If anyone has access to links...

Here's my best offer. It requires a short field trip.

Endeavoring to illustrate waste in the present system and the chief causes of the waste is logical but to quantify the waste is diificult. It is difficult because the education budget is an interactive melange of a multitude of funding sources that share one thing in common. They exist as the result of the classification of people and the ensuing attempt to benefit only that class. Beyong that they are an unorganized, overlapping, duplicitous collection of accounting nightmares and no matter the amount of charts and graphs, it will be diificult to clarify the waste to the average Freeper. A similar experience would be attempting to count the debris in the Missippippi river passing one point after a torrential rain. It would simply go on and on and on.

I would suggest a simpler comparison. Pick a school and a district, a modest sized high school near you in a modest sized district and determine the administrative cost of that school/district, in dollars. per pupil, anywhere between 1959 to 1963 as compared to 2002. The 2002 budget breakdowns, both the state's administrative share and the district's administrative share are available from the Department of Education website. Now the field trip.

Take a short trip to that same district's office and ask to see a copy of the school's budget (1959-1963). If preunification, simply ask for the budget of that particular high school. If post unification, ask for the district budget and use it instead. During the comparison, of both budgets, simply assume that federal aid carries a 10% administrative expense

Remember you'er comparing administartive costs per student, not total expenses per student. The results will probably not surprise you.

18 posted on 12/11/2003 1:40:13 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: CounterCounterCulture
No problemo... (My hornet's have MovedOn.forthewinter, thank goodness .. well, the yellowjackets, anyway)

Was that a subtle jab at carry_okie, by the way.. errr, never mind. LOL ;-)

19 posted on 12/11/2003 2:17:47 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Want to help Support Our Troops .. For some ideas, check out my profile. Thanks!)
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To: NormsRevenge
No worries...the lottery will take care of everything. :o)
20 posted on 12/11/2003 2:20:52 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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