To reauthorize the ban on undetectable firearms

U.S. Congress ^ | 12/9/2003 | U.S. Congress

[ZULU]

To reauthorize the ban on undetectable firearms. (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate) --H.R.3348-- H.R.3348 One Hundred Eighth Congress of the United States of America AT THE FIRST SESSION Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday, the seventh day of January, two thousand and three An Act To reauthorize the ban on undetectable firearms. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. REAUTHORIZATION OF THE BAN ON UNDETECTABLE FIREARMS. Section 2(f)(2) of the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988 (18 U.S.C. 922 note) is amended-- (1) by striking `15' and inserting `25'; (2) in subparagraph (B)-- (A) by striking `and (h)' and inserting `through (o)'; and (B) by striking `and (g)' and inserting `through (n)'; and (3) by striking subparagraphs (D) and (E) and inserting the following: `(D) section 924(a)(1) of such title is amended by striking `this subsection, subsection (b), (c), or (f) of this section, or in section 929' and inserting `this chapter'; and `(E) section 925(a) of such title is amended-- `(i) in paragraph (1), by striking `and provisions relating to firearms subject to the prohibitions of section 922(p)'; and `(ii) in paragraph (2), by striking `, except for provisions relating to firearms subject to the prohibitions of section 922(p),'; and `(iii) in each of paragraphs (3) and (4), by striking `except for provisions relating to firearms subject to the prohibitions of section 922(p),'.'. Speaker of the House of Representatives. Vice President of the United States and President of the Senate.

[ZULU]

12/9/2003 Became Public Law No: 108-174.

[Dead Corpse]

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Morons do NOT know who they are f*#king with. They keep this crap up at thier own peril.

[Conspiracy Guy]

What firearm is truly undetectable? How can you ban it if you can't detect it? If you ban it how will you know that I don't have one? Too many questions.

[MindBender26]

The ban on undetectable firearms really works. I was going to bring my invisible 155 mm SP Howitzer on an airplane flight, tucked under my shirt, but since it was invisible, I couldn't find it while packing for the trip!

[2banana]

They might as well and go ahead and ban fairies as neither fairies or "plastic gun" has ever existed. But I do feel safer that if they are ever developed by a legal manufacturer to sell to law abiding US citizens, the won't be able to...

[Grut]

Saved from the threat of chocolate guns again!

[Conspiracy Guy]

I bought several but I'm not sure the seller didn't keep them. I think I was gypped.

[DBrow]

You folks may joke about this, but it represents a serious health problem.

Doctors cannot find the undetectable bullets to remove them from children, and the forensics guys cannot find the markings on the undetectable shell casings.

Your levity is completely inappropriate.

[ZULU]

The whole point behind this is to TOTALLY discredit guns and the gun fraternity and the Second Amendment and demonize us as primitive anachronisms.

By enacting more and more laws restricting firearms further and further, the anti-Constitutionalists - who as we witnessed yesterday are reallly aiming to totally eviscerate the Bill of Rights - hope to disarm the entire population.

This will make it easier for them to achieve their goal - to turn the American public into a swilling mass of ignorant swine, dedicated only to their own selfish hedonistic pleasures, and dependant upon the state for all their necessitities, so the people who really know better - the professional politicians, buearocrats and social engineers, can restructure society as THEY see fit, not as Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison and a bunch of other dead white male Christians saw fit.

[Conspiracy Guy]

I still don't know what guns this effects.

[ZULU]

Probably none - right now.

A journey of a thousand paces begins with a single step.
This just one more step towards nullifying the Second Amendment by red tape and Court decrees.

[Ancesthntr]

I still don't know what guns this effects.

It directly affects NO guns, as no such item exists yet (at least not that is publicly known).

However, the real effect of this law is far more insidious than banning something non-existent. The real effect is to desensitize the public to the banning of guns. Later on, it will be easier to ban real, existing, guns - they are, after all, a real "threat" to public safety, not just something that exists in someone's imagination.

The AWB was about the same thing - only unimportant things like bayonet mounts and folding stocks were banned, and at that only future production was banned, not the existing guns. But the AWB was a first step. We can now see that the anti-liberty folks like Feinstein, Schumer, McCarthy, Brady, etc. not only seek to extend this ban, but to "clarify" the list of guns (i.e. dramatically broaden the number and types of guns that will be banned). What they are after now is what they really wanted 10 years ago, but couldn't get. The existing AWB, like the "undetectable gun" ban, is the camel's nose in the tent. Once the nose is in there, it is too late - pretty soon the whole animal is inside, stinking the place up and leaving unsightly calling cards all over the place.

This ban is part of boiling the frog slowly so that he doesn't know what's happening, rather than throwing him in an already boiling pot. Guess who the frog is?

[Conspiracy Guy]

I see it differently and the vigilance for true threats is ever present. The assault weapons ban has had no impact. The plastic gun ban has no impact.

[DBrow]

None at the moment, but a minor change, perhaps at the regulatory level, could ban handguns with a "significant amout of polymeric material" in their structure.

This could effect a future issue of Glocks or S&Ws or Walthers, anyone who makes plastic grips.

Also, just getting a ban, even a meaningless ban, passed, is a public relations victory. The clueless public feels safer, they are ready for another ban (after all, the roof did not fall in LAST time, eh?) and the pro gun people say, well, it did not effect me, so why be so vigilant?

[Conspiracy Guy]

I share your concern overall but not on imaginary weapons. This ban could actually act a catalyst to prevent the development of a product that will have no market.

[ZULU]

How has the Assualt Rifle Ban had no impact???

[DBrow]

The assault weapons ban has had no impact...

So have you priced >10 rd mags?

How about replacing your preban upper since you have a preban lower AR-15?

The AWB has cost the shooting community lots of $$ and hassle. Many states don't allow you to buy an AW without special paperwork, and remember the CA issue where people registered long guns that were not AWs, then a court action required them to turn them in, because they were AWs after all, and the wrong paperwork had been filed? Wasn't tehre some sort of problem in NJ with registration and confiscation?

[Atlas Sneezed]

Bang

[Conspiracy Guy]

That argument goes back to the automatic weapons days, "When they register Thompsons my single shot 12 gauge is next". It hasn't happened. I see it as mild worry. I will stay vigilant to the real threats.

[Conspiracy Guy]

I haven't encountered any problems with the AWB. I have all the guns I need and I can still walk into a retail store and walk out with more if I want to.