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To: nopardons
Actually, in my case, having to date lived in 11 other nations at various times, your view is not terribly accurate.

Nations, or governments, do not exist to ''satisfy'' me or anyone else. They exist TO exist, and generally to expand their power over time.

An honest man or woman requires nothing from government, except that it obey its stated rules. Granted that no government anywhere does so, in a scrupulous fashion, some governments do so FAR more reliably than others. Until the past 25 years or so, the USA was among the top 3 or 4 nations who DID obey their own rules to a **greater** extent.

Whether you or I like it or not, the USA is now NOT obeying its own rules for governance, i.e. the Constitution (which, btw, I can cite you chapter and verse right through, and -- a no-brainer -- cite any number of very specific examples of the US gov't violating its own rules, almost cheerfully, even).

At bottom, your complaint against me is that I don't (any longer) like a politician that you prefer.

Doubtless, you'll be very happy with the next anti-Constitutional outrage that is about to occur, specifically, the taxation of Internet transactions. Perhaps you might consider reading Article I, Section IX if you happen to hold the view that such taxation is somehow legitimate.

Ignoring your vitriol, may I -- VERY sincerely -- wish you the best of the Christmas season, and of the New Year to come!

107 posted on 12/10/2003 11:27:15 PM PST by SAJ
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To: SAJ
I don't know how old you are, but you're totally incorrect at placing the decline of government/presidents ignoring the Constitution, etc. at 25 years ago. FDR, for but one example, mangled the Constitution, his oath, and anything else you might decide to throw into the mix and he wasn't the first.History is valuable ONLY when one knows it.

You've misread/misunderstood what I posted to you about governments.I was reacting to your IMPLIED position, that governemts were there to fulfill your positions.want lists, since that is precisely what YOU want from the GOP. So,wanna try that one again ? And, having lived in 11 different countries, which one of those is better, now, than the USA?

An honest man or woman requires his/her government proyect him/her from foreign enemies, for one. Since even that position seems to have escaped you, I shan't go on, even thought, like you, I do know the Constitution and the ammendments, as well as quite a lot of other things you haven't mentioned; not the least of which is unvarnished historical facts.

No, at bottom, I am displeased that you are incapable of seeing that, in reality, there are only ever TWO presidential candidates, one of whom will win. One side will deliver some things that a Conservative wants, the other will do everything in his power to thwart ALL that a Conservative wants. By not voting for the glass 1/2 full, one aids and abetts the enemy. That's it, there's nothing else, this is a fact and there's just NO getting away from it, around it, or spinning it.

114 posted on 12/10/2003 11:40:35 PM PST by nopardons
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To: SAJ
Let's find an island somewhere and start over! lol

All we need is a satellite for global communication and an airport for FedEx and UPS to land on and we're in business!
123 posted on 12/10/2003 11:50:53 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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