Posted on 12/10/2003 8:59:00 PM PST by BobbyK
And yes, you really are more " PURIST " than not. Would you rather have had algore, instead of W, a massive tax increase, rather than a tax cut ( and some ARE not going to be phased out/come to an end)at all, etc. ? Enquiring minds want to know why 1/2 a loaf isn't good enough.
I think I must have sent one response to message A to party B, and vice versa. My apologies if so.
Why? He had a GOP controlled Congress. Reagan got a 25% reduction in rates...far below our current rate system in 1981 with a DEM controlled Congress.
I don't care about purity, I just want some stinking BACKBONE! But, unfortunately, Bush's people won't let him go over the fray and talk directly to the people they way Reagan did. I guess they figure he's not as good a communicator.
I also feel Bush is being disserved by many in his circle. But that's his choice, he put them there. Personally, I'd tell Powell take a hike and I'd sit the GOP Congressional leadership down and TELL THEM what they are going to do, not listen.
I'd call up Snowe, Collins and Chaffee and read them the riot act and pull a Buford Pusser - put their offices in the basement of their buildings, cut their staff, remove them from ALL committee's etc. unless they played ball.
Those three alone are directly responsible for the lack of flu vaccine this year. And if they threatened to "switch" like Jeffords then I'd threaten to go to their states and campaign against them even if they weren't running in 2004! I'd humiliate them in a nationwide address (just bring up the flu vaccines).
But that's just me. I don't play games with jerks.
Perhaps you need to read up your political history. GHW's biggest failure was falling for the democRATs lies that the nation would go broke if he didn't raise taxes. The RATS claimed that this was the only solution, and GHW mistakenly gave in. Then the RATS turned around and used GHW's campaign pledge of "No new taxes" against him.
Nor was he helped by Alan Greenspan who refused to lower interest rates -- until Clinton was in office.
Do you even recall the outrageous lies and distortions of the truth that the RATS used against GHW during the campaign? Or do you even care? Having read your numerous anti-Bush comments on several threads, I believe you are a troll.
If the spin stops here, then stop spinning. You continue to rail against a less than perfect president to what end? Politics has ever been about voting for the lesser of two evils, so get a clue!
I am proud that GW Bush is our president even though I don't agree with him on some very important issues, but I will never bow down to Mecca, as his opponents would invite, in order to appease our enemies.
That's okay, it's late and I'm off to bed. So ends our discourse.
I disagree. Politics used to be about principle and the top of the ticket was a crony to the party if they weren't leading...not the other way around. The concept of "the lesser of two evils" is, in my opinion, giving up.
There has to be someone willing to stand up and win on pure principle alone.
The exception with Hitlery is this -- it (not she) understands power, and, should it acquire any, will abuse it to an extent never seen in American history. It is Stalin-In-Waiting, in spades. In fact, I'd likely vote for Stalin before I'd vote for Hitlery -- he could do less damage (not only because he's dead, but because he doesn't even pretend to speak English; Hitlery DOES pretend to speak English).
The same is not equivalently true of any of the nine dwarves. They're merely ordinary and very boring state socialist dildos and dildettes (Kucinich being the other dildette, btw), barring Dean, who's just a good old-fashioned Marxist wanker, Lenin without the intellect, Trotsky without the rhetorical skill, although his bombast does approach Khruschev's. Gork's endorsement of this clot was hilarious (politically somewhat clever, which was surprising in Gork's case; he's almost as politically tone-deaf as Hitlery).
Historically, our judicial sytem has never, NEVER been " fair " to all, in every way, shape, manner, and form. Some people has ALWAYS been treated differently ( some better, some worse ) than others. See? You are so a " PURIST ", whose grasp of reality as it is, isn't what it is, or ever has been. Not in colonial times, not as a new nation, not at 100, and certainly NOT now and you and I are NOT going to be able to change that.
" If wishes were horses, than I would be king " and the same is true of the collective wishes of FREEPERS, who refuse to accept reality...daydreams are like soap bubbles; insubstancial but pretty. Reality is something else, no matter how much one might yearn for it to be different.
I attended the same college as both Presidents Bush and, while I never met anyone named Bush, please let me assure you that I met at least 200 or 300 would-be Bushes. There seems to be, in certain people, the unalloyed and utterly unproven assumption that they, somehow, mystically, are fit to govern the rest of us.
I didn't buy that premise in 1969-1972, and I don't buy it now.
OK, fun bs trivia time -- give me the SECOND verse of ''Deck The Halls'' -- verse, mind you, not chorus. (g!)
Questioning those who believe they can achieve political perfection on Earth is not attacking.
It is other people pointing out the real world to them.
So you went to Yale.
while I never met anyone named Bush, please let me assure you that I met at least 200 or 300 would-be Bushes.
And there were about 5 times the number of would be Dean's and Hillary's at Yale. I am surmising that you are in that camp.
Larger government from Mr. Bush? Yes.
More redistribution of income, courtesy of Fat Teddy's education bill, the pork-o-rama farm subsidy bill, and the new prescription drug ripoff...er, entitlement? Yes.
The beginnings of surrender of national sovereignity, to WTO and others (read Marx and Engels' famous work, something they ardently advocated)? Yes.
The advocacy of ''free'' trade (not free trade, but ''free'' trade, again, another of Marx' favourite ideas)? Yes.
Tell you what...just read Marx' and Engels' Communist Manifesto, just read it casually through, one time -- then come on back and tell me why the description of Mr. Bush as a quasi-Marxist is inaccurate.
Never mind personal venting -- you'll notice that, throughout this thread, I haven't -- but make me a rationally-based counterargument, if you care to.
Oh come on. A president can do anything he wants. It's ridiculous to say he "can't". And what's wrong. Can't take rough and tumble politics. Geez, it was a heck of a lot worse in the old days. They'd threaten to kill each other, just ask Hamilton.
Are you saying Bush hasn't got the right to convince Maine and Rhode Island voters their Senators are morons, cowards, and petty a-holes? That never stopped FDR, Kennedy, or LBJ. They threatened on a daily basis. Oh, I guess we should massage them so they don't Jeffords the GOP.
I'd rather elect more conservative Senators and let the RINOs rot. By you saying "think how things really are" you are pointing out you accept the status quo and are completely convinced it can't be changed.
Who's being a purist in thought now? How cares if they got elected by those voters? Voters are people and a good leader pursues the people using strong arguments. Remember the "Reagan Democrats" the GOP has pissed away?
Amazing, this entire thread for the last couple of hours has been attacking me and SAJ and others who want some principle instead of caving into "compromise" that always benefits the left you think you are opposing. Snowe, Collins and Chaffee are the perfect definition of your philosophy. Three total RINO's that have to be countered by a Zell Miller or John Breaux (or Mary Landrieu when she's not on the rag) to get anything done. I guess since they might vote on a few bills Bush wants, it's okay to let them hold hostage real bills based on principle. You know all three of those jerks aren't helping in the judicial nominee fights.
Gee, let's just put Trent Lott back into the majority position and we can complete the circle of being reamed.
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