Ranchers Sued by Civil Rights Group

Associated Press ^ | Dec 10, 2003 | Arthur H. Rotstein

[Pitchfork]

Ok, so its the eco-wiccan-left-wing nutjobs versus the pseudo-Klan-redneck ranchers. But I'd go to war to defend either's right to their property. If you're curious about the ranchers check out this site:
Warning there is a graphic post-autopsy photo of a lynched migrant on this page.

http://aztlan.net/vigilantes.htm

[Ben Ficklin]

No matter how lowly you may consider Ranch Rescue and other border militia groups, I can 99.99% guarantee you that you would forget all about them were you to spend a couple of hours googling around on the Border Action Network(BAN).

Who were they before they became BAN. Who are they connected to? Where do they get their money?

Is the Summerland Monastary a Coven? Who are they connected to? Where do they get their money? Is it possible that BAN is paying off Summerland?

Its all a rats nest of the socialist, marxist, green party, hate America crowd.

[Iconoclast2]

MacKenzie is not merely the gardener. I would speculate that he is married to the contact listed for the Summerland Coven. A Reverend Jacquie Omie, presumably a witch. The land is presumably held by a 501(c)(3) nonprofit. Perhaps the MacKenzies control it.

[Cultural Jihad]

Bartletts? Who are they?

[Iconoclast2]

The property owner has a right to seek an injunction to keep the Bartletts out. Any maybe they get their attorney fees for the cost of getting the injunction under many trespass statutes. But what real damages have they suffered? None.

Moreover, all we have so far is the witch folks' word that the Bartletts were on their property, out in the middle of the desert, where there may not be any fences and one hill might look like another. The only way this action could bankrupt the Bartletts is a crooked Judge or an incompetent attorney, both regrettably possible I suppose.

[Zack Attack]

Allen and Romo said they did not have identities or statements from any of the 30 people allegedly involved in the Oct. 11 Summerland Monastery incident.

The article seems to be poorly written, however I find myself asking how they can prove these allegations if there have no idea who these 30 people were, though MacKenzie does seem to know they were "undocumented immigrants" according to his lawsuit.

[Eris]

Let's spice this up.

*throws a switchblade into the thread*

;)

[Iconoclast2]

Barnetts, not Bartletts. Jeez. I just got a nice box of Harry and David pears for Christmas and must have them on the brain.

[Stopislamnow]

From Arizona gov site.

13-3900. Duty of private person after making arrest

A private person who has made an arrest shall without unnecessary delay take the person arrested before the nearest or most accessible magistrate in the county in which the arrest was made, or deliver him to a peace officer, who shall without unnecessary delay take him before such magistrate. The private person or officer so taking the person arrested before the magistrate shall make before the magistrate a complaint, which shall set forth the facts showing the offense for which the person was arrested. If, however, the officer cannot make the complaint, the private person who delivered the person arrested to the officer shall accompany the officer before the magistrate and shall make to the magistrate the complaint against the person arrested.

Were they turned over to the authorities?

13-1502. Criminal trespass in the third degree; classification

A. A person commits criminal trespass in the third degree by:

1. Knowingly entering or remaining unlawfully on any real property after a reasonable request to leave by the owner or any other person having lawful control over such property, or reasonable notice prohibiting entry.

2. Knowingly entering or remaining unlawfully on the right-of-way for tracks, or the storage or switching yards or rolling stock of a railroad company.

B. Criminal trespass in the third degree is a class 3 misdemeanor.

Was the MacKenzie land clearly marked? He found them. Did he ask them to leave?

13-1303. Unlawful imprisonment; classification

A. A person commits unlawful imprisonment by knowingly restraining another person.

B. In any prosecution for unlawful imprisonment, it is a defense that:

1. The restraint was accomplished by a peace officer acting in good faith in the lawful performance of his duty; or

2. The defendant is a relative of the person restrained and the defendant's sole intent is to assume lawful custody of that person and the restraint was accomplished without physical injury.

C. Unlawful imprisonment is a class 6 felony unless the victim is released voluntarily by the defendant without physical injury in a safe place prior to arrest in which case it is a class 1 misdemeanor.

Were they arrested prior to turning them over to border patrol?

My first statement was bad, and should only be used when dealing with coyotes and annoying cats, I'll give ya that.

The fact is, people are too quick to, way to quick, to denounce people as "vigilantes" in situations like this. Instead of the cause of the "vigilantism". Namely illegal aliens and the NON-enforcement of immigration laws.

If it ends up with alot of bloodshed, which it might, then the government, the illegals and thier enablers are to blame.
Not the people protecting thier property and our borders.

[Cultural Jihad]

Injunction? They're lucky they aren't walking around with lead in their diapers.

[Iconoclast2]

It says "believed lynched". Maybe a doctor can tell us something, but it doesn't look that way to me as a layman. This is probably just La Raza propaganda. If it were real, it would be all over the New York Times.

[Axenolith]

You can bet that Mackenzie probably isn't expecting defense to mount an aggressive discovery phase on their operation. I'd wager that's where the trespassers will get off, with the suit being quietly dropped.

IMO, the illegal immigrants, regardless of what class of crime they currently reside under, constitute a clear and present danger to the security and integrity of the nation. They sap resourses, bring disease, and provide cover for terrorists. Politicians need to do something about them or get booted...

[Cultural Jihad]

What you neglected to post was the Arizona statute wherein a citizen's arrest for a misdemeanor (border crossing) can be effected only if it is actually witnessed, not assumed or imagined.

[TLI]

I dredged up an old idea I had from about 1991, back when lots of folks laughed at the possibility of a "border problem" ever becoming a real issue. It was very simple, close the border. Yup, just close it. Well not the highways, ie the controlled crossing points. Close those wide open spaces.

How? That is the easy part. What will be hard is forcing ones self to baseball bat the scum traitor politicians that will object. That sort of thing goes against most folks better nature. Mostly.


Let us visualize a real live controlled border. That would require a fairly large construction project to build semi-sunken border stations at one mile intervals from end to end across the southern border with Mexico. By placing them at one mile intervals no point on the border is more than 30 seconds from a border station. By sinking them into the ground, one level is completely protected against almost all man-portable weapons and the second level (ground level) can be bermed on three sides except for the horizontal observation and firing ports along the east, south and west sides. the north side would extend out to include a 3 sided, covered bay where the interceptors will sit at the ready.


Each such station will be staffed by five three man teams. As this is a closed border plan, there is no need for more than three per station. Allowing 5 shifts per station, the three normally needed for 24 hour staffing at 8 hour shifts, plus two ?weekend? shifts that could rotate out with a weekday shift, giving the week day workers opportunity for time off, vacation, backup for sick days, etc.


then there is the proverbial question, how much? Ahhhhhhhh, there is the beauty. ZERO. This will not add a single dime to the budget. WHY? The money is currently being pi$$ed away for nothing and where it is going will only get worse. Allow me to rub salt here . .


""When approving the Medi care bill last month, Congress allocated $1 billion to help border hospitals cover those costs. President Bush is expected to sign the bill Monday.""


Which he did. So the money is there, it is just being spent in a reactionary mode. In a proactive mode most of the money will only be spent only in the first year, after that the cost would drop dramatically.


OK, lets do the numbers.


1330 miles from Atlantic to Pacific ='s 1330 stations.


1 station initial construction 165,000


1 electronics and weapons 40,000


3 trucks @ 40,000 each 120,000


15 staff, 5 shifts at 3 per shift 630,000


utilities (water, electricity) 12,000


Total for one station for the first year (including construction)


$967,000


Total for the 1330 stations required


$1,288,044,000


and that is including construction cost.


After the initial construction,


Back out 90% of 165,000 to = 16,500, or annual maintaining


apply the same 10% maintaining to the other front end expenses


and the total annual bill is . . . $870,352,000





Case Closed.


The only reason the border is NOT closed is the fed WANTS the criminal invaders here.


the only question is . . . WHY?


TLI





p.s.


This bit was not really written for the benifit of freepers, most that post at FR are well aware of the above information.


So why write it?


So all you worthless communist agenda dems lurking out there will KNOW, like a bullhorn in your collective faces, that the game is up, no one believes the pathetic sniviling BS being puked out regarding the "poor meak undocumented imigrant that only wants the job the fat lazy Americans will not do."

[Stopislamnow]

BAN sounds like a underground railroad to facilitate illegal immigration.

From the site:

Every year for the past decade we have witnessed more build up along the Arizona-Mexico border. Every year we are seeing more men, women and children risking their lives to reunite with family or improve their quality of life. At the same time, border communities have been over-run with law enforcement agencies and armed, anti-immigrant groups that act as if they are above the rule of law. Human and civil rights violations have become the norm, while violations of environmental protections have become common place.

Border Action Network challenges the roots of injustice. Through community organizing, research-for-action, direct action, leadership development and art, we work to change the institutions and organizations that try to silence our voices and divide our communities. Together, we will build a broad movement that demands rights, dignity and healthy communities!


Illegal Enablers.

Yah, heh, looks like we know why thier neighbors have problems with the MacKenzies.

[Cultural Jihad]

So you would personally bury the unarmed women and children who would be machinegunned crossing the border? Or do the salon Bolshevikis expect others to fulfill their murderous desires?

[Pitchfork]

Here's a quote from another article. After reading it I wonder what a few corpse sniffing dogs might unearth on that Barnett ranch. Those three S's again.

"One unidentified Mexican, rope burns around his neck to suggest a lynching, was found dead recently in the desert west of the Barnett ranch. On March 22, Cipriano Ramírez, a twenty-three-year-old candy vendor from the central Mexican state of Morelos, threaded his way through the Barnett ranch on his way north to a job in Chicago. Surprised by young Roger Barnett, Cipriano didn’t realize he was a player in a deadly game. Barnett opened fire, perforating Ramírez’ intestines. Near death in a Tucson hospital, the young indocumentado received a Whitman’s Sampler of chocolates from the Barnett family and a note saying they were sorry – Roger had been out hunting "a bad dog" that morning. Cipriano was in their prayers. It’s the American Way."

Link: http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=914

[Stopislamnow]

Again, you assume.

If they followed thier tracks/trail from thier land on the border, then well, thats evidence right there.

Trash trail leading from the border across thier ranch to the next property?

The illegals use the same trails over and over.

A cloud of dust?

We only know the enablers side of the story.

[Fledermaus]

That's rich. Violating the "rights" of ILLEGAL ALIENS!

Wow, the Supreme Court continues to rip my rights away from me and I guess are giving them to ILLEGAL ALIENS!

I wonder if "undocumented workers" are exempt for the 30/60 day advertising rule.

I say the ranchers just round up these "undocumented workers" and dump them on the property of the "civil rights group" members and see how they like it.