Posted on 12/10/2003 7:39:21 PM PST by ambrose
Here's what happened during Dean's reign in Vermont.
I'll ship Dean thank you .. I'm not up for the UN controling the US
If you want to vote Democrat fine. I'm sticking with the party, and keeping Bush in there, and front loading him with two Republican senators in congress instead of one. He has an agenda and if we get the right people in there for him, he can run with his more Conservative agenda instead of a slightly-left-of-moderate agenda.
The Democrats think they got a good deal out of it, they're wrong. They got snookered again, by Bush and Rove as usual.
Bush may look like he's bending over for the Democrats. Far from it. Bush is surrounded by far right and conservatives in his cabinet. Just wait when the Republican's gain strength in the Congress. Bush will unveil his deep rooted Conservative agenda, and maybe, just maybe, we'll start seeing Conservative judicial nominees getting placed on the bench.
Honestly, research your agenda a bit more often before you insert your boot between yer gums!
That doesn't mean that there aren't things that I like about Bush. I'll save that for another thread at this point though.
that is a bit vague. Was it the program utilization or the taxes?
You've heard of dictionary.com, haven't you? You need to bookmark it.
And watch who you call "disingenuous", PSYCHO.
(You don't mind if I call you PSYCHO, do you? It's fine with me if you call me Hell. :P)
"As an elected official in Vermont in the 1980s, Howard Dean worked tirelessly for State funding to improve teacher salaries at a time those salaries were shamefully low, and he was our champion. As Governor in the 1990s, Howard Dean made a name for himself as a fiscal conservative, limiting public spending generally, including for public schools. We opposed him when he did that.
Vermont-NEA had real disagreements with Governor Dean, especially during his early terms, and usually over finances. The most serious difference was over a legislative proposal in 1993-94 for a statewide teachers contract. Governor Dean, true to his fiscally conservative nature, supported the concept. Vermont-NEA fought it, successfully. We criticized Governor Dean for his continued underfunding of the Teachers Retirement System, and for his failure in 1995 to reappoint the pro-labor chair of the Vermont Labor Relations Board."
As far as Karen Maple - I know all about the case - that had to do with CPS not the governor.
Talk is cheap, Dean has contradicted himself, at every turn, on every thing, and you actually " believe " bits & pieces of things you think you've you've heard him say ? You truly believe that Howard Dean, of all people, would DO anything at all about the borders? THINK AGAIN !
President Bush won't fulfill everyone's wish about everything; no president can or will. Do I agree with everything he's said and done ? No! But then, I also know what he has done, promises to do and have, evidently, paid far more attention to Dean and what he's done and said, than you have AND find him to be a smarmy, frightening,contemptable, raving nutter. You'd best do more reseach on the man, before you admit, again, to think that he has even one " good " point.
Mine's white. I've moved from humiliation to shock.
I was also sure it would be overturned. You used to be able to count on a blatantly UNconstitutional ruling or piece of legislation being overturned, even if you had to put up with the occasional extra-constitutional remedy.
Not anymore.
And who does CPS report to, the Governor and in Karen Maple's case, that Governor was Dean.
Social Security recipients
Mortgage interest deductions
Child tax credit filers
Student loan consumers
FHA loan holders?
Is it not a fact that most "middle class' Americans with children pay no federal income taxes or at the most 10% of a post deduction income of less than 20k per year? I think you have your own definition of just what a "government program" is and it doesn't include those that you receive.
Tell that to Karen Maple.
How do you feel about the UN
You are aware that Dean thinks we should rely more on the the UN .. that we should spend more time consulting with them on our national security issues
Why in the world you can't see what Dean is doing is beyond me
Kind of reminds be of an argument I had back in 92 with my Lib sister.
I told her then, that Clinton was a buffoon and would turn out to be the worse thing that ever happen to this country.
At the time she said I was nuts .. but I turned out to be correct.
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