[Paul Atreides]

Or, vote for some Johnny Nobody, which is, in essence, the same difference as voting for Dean......or, Hillary.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

The rep party shifted to the center, and the Dems shifted to 'progressivism'.

In other words, there are two new parties: The Socialist Democrats and the Liberal Republicans.

The con game is over now. This is the reality.

The only solution is to not vote for the bastards that sold us out. A round of Hil or Dean and more socialists in Congress are the only answer for reversing this new reality within the next 10 years. I am sick of fighting. If we want socialism, let's try it in earnest for a few years, and let the voters decide in 2008 if they want to keep it or elect conservatives.

[Pubbie]

Reagan wasn't perfect either - even he passed some dumb laws - but hey let's show the GOP and vote for Buchanan - That will show em (sarcasm/)

[Fledermaus]

You lesser of two evil people drive me nuts.

Why do you assume it's going to be Dean? Polls?

Not ONE VOTE has been cast in a primary. And who gives a sh*t about NH and Iowa? Clinton lost both.

If Gephardt or LIEberman move up then Bush is in more trouble. And even if it is Dean, anyone that thinks it's McGovern redux is also drinking funny koolaid.

Gephardt or Lieberman, and Dean moving to the center (which he'll do and get away with it) will hammer Bush on his inconsistencies while the conservative base stays home.

They stayed home in 1992 and get blasted for the eight years of Clinton. But Clinton didn't ruin the economy like they predicted and the conservatives never gained so much power than during his presidency.

How about the war on terror? Sure, Clinton was complacent and it hurt us. But I didn't see any Americans screaming for war after the 1993 WTC bombings. I guess you have to actually knock a building down to wake people up. But how many of those people now are still supportive of fighting the war?

And I'm personally sick and f'ing (a Kerry moment) of being told that not voting or voting third party guarantees a victory to the enemy. That psychosis ignores the weakness of your candidate.

If Bush can't win without 4 million "Evangelists" votes, that's his problem, not mine.