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To: UCANSEE2
Selfish, narrow-minded, lacking common-sense, influenced by fear tactics....

These are things I would say about those who support this post.

Nice ad hominem warm-up.

Now, One thing I have learned is that if you don't agree with someone's solution to a problem, then LET's HEAR YOUR SOLUTION.

Sure: They Will Deport Themselves

Ignoring the problem, or saying something like "deport them all" just shows a lack of understanding of the world, and the spirit of the American People. At least, the spirit I was taught and saw. That spirit seems mighty weak lately.

To Amnesty the Illegals is to ignore the problem.
To fail to enforce the law is to ignore the problem.

Ignoring the problem is part of the problem.

The "spirit of the American People" has not traditionally been to allow foreigners to invade and scoff at our sovereignty, thereby eroding the rule of law.


18 posted on 12/10/2003 2:04:01 PM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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To: Sabertooth
Nice ad hominem warm-up.

Thanks, I worked on that.

To Amnesty the Illegals is to ignore the problem.

I disagree. It may not be your way of dealing with the problem, but it certainly is not ignoring the problem. Ignoring means taking no action. I know you know this.

To fail to enforce the law is to ignore the problem.

I completely agree. Past administrations have done just that. Which is why I see Ridge's remark as this administration considering what should be done, instead of just ignoring it.

Ignoring the problem is part of the problem.

Where do you get this? Considering options to deal with a problem is not ignoring it. Why, if you think all illegals should immediately be deported, did you not 'advise' all past administrations that they should immediately do so? Were you just ignoring the problem?

The "spirit of the American People" has not traditionally been to allow foreigners to invade and scoff at our sovereignty, thereby eroding the rule of law.

The spirit has been that America is an open border country, with an outstretched hand (statue of liberty) to the refugees from other countries. Give us your tired, your poor, etc.

ALL of THESE 'illegal' immigrants are HUMAN BEINGS who want the promise of America kept.

Many of these 'illegal' immigrants place the value of their future life above the risk of the illegal part and the risk of getting past border security (which for many means risking death).

We could devise a system where punishment for illegal immigration means a longer delay in becoming naturalized. If we do, we could get them to come forward, and register, which helps solves many problems. Surely we can find a way to get these people registered, and eventually naturalized, or are you saying that this country is so greedy and selfish, we must keep it all to ourselves?

If you do, you must tell me, just who are the real Americans who deserve to keep this whole country to themselves.

Many people in this country are immigrants. Many are legal immigrants, but there are just as many whose parents were illegals (and I don't mean just the Mexican imms.) and the children born are legal citizens, of course. And that is the reason the parents came in illegally. To have a child born as a US citizen.

Do we deport them too? The parents and the children?

How about, if we want to get selfish and greedy, that only the TRUE AMERICANS be allowed to stay? And who will define that?

The problem of illegal imms is a large problem, and must be dealt with.

Trying to deport them all will be a costly and stupid mistake. In case you are 'ignoring' this, we DEPORT them all the time. Know what happens? They just sneak back in.

You and others may not like Ridge's suggestion (and it is only that, so far), but it is a workable solution, whereas your solution has a track record of failure.

69 posted on 12/10/2003 5:49:25 PM PST by UCANSEE2 ("Duty is ours, Results are God's" --John Quincy Adams)
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