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To: concerned about politics
*This was supposed to be a good strategic move, and it backfired.

**How do you know, Sabertooth? We're dealing with an unknown.

Well, I'm opperating with the belief that there should be freedom of political speech, and the assumption that others believe that as well.

Since this law is clearly a curtailment of free speech, we're left with two options:

1. President Bush thought that the SCOTUS would overturn all or more of this CFR legislation than they did. If so, the plan backfired.

Or 2. President Bush is comfortable with curtailments of political speech.

I wonder, though. The Democrats are pretty dumb. It's easy for Bush to pull the wool over their eyes. This could be a blessing for us in the future.

I think we need to get the rose-colored blinders off. The President is a human politician. He's got more character than most, but he's certainly fallible.

We need to resist the temptation to assume that every defeat or blunder is part of some grand strategy.

A lot of folks here hypnotized themselves into thinking that Bush was signing this to "take the Democrats' issues away." Now that it hasn't, we need to confront reality.

Granted, the 60 day thing sucks. No doubt. But the American people, those who don't pay close attention, are sick and tired of the political hate commercials on TV before an election. They really wanted this. The "people" really did support it.

No they didn't. This issue wasn't swinging elections.
The GOP flinched for no reason in passing this.


1,357 posted on 12/10/2003 1:22:18 PM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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To: Sabertooth
No they didn't. This issue wasn't swinging elections.

No, it wasn't swinging elections at the time .
It was sold as a way to get crooked money out of politics. That's what the people were supporting. They loved it.
Our representatives gave it to them. If Bush had not agreed, it would have appeared he was FOR dirty money in politics, or it would have been spun and used against him that way. It could have hurt.

I gotta go for a few minutes, though. I'll try to check back. (Drat!)

1,376 posted on 12/10/2003 1:30:01 PM PST by concerned about politics ( "Satire". It's Just "Satire.".......So it is.)
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To: Sabertooth
" President is a human politician. He's got more character than most, but he's certainly fallible."

I just heard Scott McClellan quoting President Bush as praising the Supreme Court decision.

I've talked to a lot of my friends in the Pro-Life and Gun Rights movements...not a single one will ever vote for George Bush again. This issue, his signing that bill into law, is as bad a decision as Roe v. Wade.

If a large chunk of Pro-Lifers and gun owners sit out the election, or vote for a third party candidate, and President Bush loses, he'll only have himself to blame.

THIS issue, banning groups that I support (like Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, Gun Owners of America and various Right to Life groups) from running ads pointing out politician's stances, is THE touchpoint for me in "compromise."

I won't do it, I won't vote for them, period...and if it costs a moderate the election and a left-winger gets in, then so be it. Let the chips fall where they may.

I can take a lot of things from politicians...tax hikes, wavering on social issues like gays, porn, etc., but not this.

When it comes to Constitutional issues like stopping people from expressing their support or dissaproval of politicians 60 days within an election, it is SO un-American that I would sooner see the devil himself elected, than for me to have taken an active part in electing that person.

Ed
1,466 posted on 12/10/2003 3:17:36 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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