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Supreme Court Handing Down Ruling in Campaign Finance Reform (main parts upheld)
FOX News | 10 Dec 2003 | FOX News

Posted on 12/10/2003 7:09:03 AM PST by July 4th

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To: goldstategop
Anyway, the law applies to the Little People like us, not the Moneyed And Powerful

I wonder if this law will apply to the Spanish stations, newspaper and magazines from Mexico?

521 posted on 12/10/2003 9:00:15 AM PST by texastoo (What a Continent!!! (sarcasm))
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To: Protagoras
My solution is to work hard to defeat anyone who violates my rights, no matter who they are.

A typical non-answer from you.

IOW, you're just spinning your wheels.

522 posted on 12/10/2003 9:00:18 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: E.G.C.
For now its liberals who are gagged so there's some poetic justice in their getting this passed in the first place. That gives those of us on FR cold comfort since you never know when its gonna be OUR turn. We have the right to be equally silenced. All so the political class can have the license to operate in the dark. Sunshine in government? This law does anything but shine the light on the political cockroaches, mark my words.
523 posted on 12/10/2003 9:00:19 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: cameraman
The liberals (democrats) are going to file complainst with the FEC claiming that Fox News is engaged in canidate advocasy in violation of CFR...and they may just suceed, considering that like minded "judges" on the bench all over this country.
524 posted on 12/10/2003 9:00:55 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: concerned about politics
I think John Edwards already tried that one. :-)
525 posted on 12/10/2003 9:01:32 AM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Kevin Curry
Apparently your memory has slipped or you would recall the tremendous impact FR had on the Florida recount scam. Not only did we take on the RATS and win but the RATmedia and its Big Networks were beaten soundly as well.

Your sarcasm sounds like a RATmedia egalitarian rant or class warfare.

This law was constitutional from the get go and only those with little regard for Congress' constitutional powers thought otherwise.
526 posted on 12/10/2003 9:01:40 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: texastoo
It doesn't apply to the media, I gather any media who are practically now a law unto themselves.
527 posted on 12/10/2003 9:01:46 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Look at Article I, Section 4 and tell me what that means.

Section 4. The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing Senators.

I'm having a hard time seeing how this condones the creation of "speech crimes". Speech about the election isn't the election itself.

528 posted on 12/10/2003 9:01:56 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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To: cc2k
Is it wise to project fictional outcome with such vivid imagination?

I remember the election in 2000 where the dooms-day crowd had Gore stealing the election. The Tinfiol Brigade had the evil Bush illuminati stealing the country and turning it over to the "NEW WORLD ORDER".

Maybe it is better to simply settle down and be more realistic. This is not different that it was in the past and there are good points to this legislation

529 posted on 12/10/2003 9:02:02 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: aristeides
How about banning all criticism of incumbents?

See Post #160 - our friend 'justletmeburymyheadinthesand' has yet to reply...

;>)

530 posted on 12/10/2003 9:02:13 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("The founders DID NOT campaign nor run ads attacking their opponents" - justshutupandtakeit 12/10/03)
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To: Mo1
They Democrats of our parents generation no longer exist and haven't for some time now

Are you just noticing this?

Why do you think I've never voted for a Democrat in a general election?

Crossed over in primaries a couple of times, to monkeywrench a bit.


531 posted on 12/10/2003 9:02:13 AM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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To: Howlin
My solution is to keep trying to get more conservatives in office.

The problem issn't a shortage of conservatives in office but a shortage of conservatives with spines who will put principle before political calculation.

Electing more of the same will only make the problem worse.

532 posted on 12/10/2003 9:02:53 AM PST by Law
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To: Labyrinthos
That goes without saying. But they are "experts" on constitutional questions, just ask them.
533 posted on 12/10/2003 9:02:59 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: goldstategop
"For now its liberals who are gagged"

Do you think any liberal would have worked for CFR if they thought it worked to their disadvantage? Even before the ink was dry, they were scheming to get around it and exploit it.
534 posted on 12/10/2003 9:03:06 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Sabertooth
Excellent points. We're losing our nation incrementally.

If the courts can create "rights" not found in the Constitution (abortion, sodomy, gay marriage) then there's nothing to stop them from obliterating rights that are found there (free speech, gun rights).

If we have a "living constitution", then like any organic entity, it needs to lose dead cells every now and then to make way for the new ones. The Supremes today ditched a few dead cells from the 1st Amendment.

Of course, we'll hear the usual arguments from the accommodationists here. It's not all bad, we'll be told, because lefties can't buy political ads during the 60 days prior to elections either.

Well, first of all, I support the right of lefties to buy ads. I'm not interested in suppressing my rivals' free speech. But it any event, it will hurt us more than them. We rely on independent ads to get the word out past the filter of the leftist news media. Talk radio (which will likely now be restricted with a new fairness doctrine once the Dems get control of government again) and internet blogs can't compete with the incessant drone of propaganda from the networks. Many conservatives have won close elections because of pro-lifers and other conservatives running issue ads exposing the leftist records of opposing candidates. In short, we've had more success with this type of activism than the left has had. It's been a way for us to get around the media and express our opinions, and now it's gone.

But even many conservatives will continue to stick their heads in the sand, as they always do when one of these idiotic court rulings is handed down. My favorite example would be the people who come on here and ask whether the ruling will really affect my life.

As in:

"Does it really affect your life if the courts redefine the institution of marriage to allow two men to marry?"

"Does it really affect your life if the courts fabricate a right to sodomy out of thin air and impose it on the states?"

"Does it really affect your life if the courts violate the principle of federalism to impose abortion on demand on the states?"

Nawwwww! None of that stuff affects us. Nothing to see here, folks. Just go on with your private life and leave constitutional "interpretation" to experts. Maybe then we can have a more (ahem) orderly society like Europe, a place we should all strive to emulate.
535 posted on 12/10/2003 9:03:43 AM PST by puroresu
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To: Mo1; Sabertooth
Yes he should have vetoed it .. but I sure as hell ain't going vote for Dean because Bush made a mistake

Perhaps but it will be a cold day in hell before any member of Congress that voted for this crapola gets a dime or a vote from my family.

536 posted on 12/10/2003 9:03:51 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: PhiKapMom; Howlin; Miss Marple
December 10, 2003, 10:08 AM EST

HAMDEN, Conn. -- President George W. Bush continues to lead all potential Democratic challengers in a national poll released Wednesday.

The Quinnipiac University poll of registered voters found that although former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean increased his lead among the Democratic contenders, Bush easily outdistanced each of the Democrats vying for the party nomination...........

Bush was favored 51-40 percent over Dean, 51-40 percent over Lieberman, 51-39 percent over Kerry, 53-38 percent over Gephardt and 50-41 percent over Clark.

537 posted on 12/10/2003 9:03:54 AM PST by deport
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To: Protagoras
You have the unmitigated gall to vote for someone you want instead of buying into the fear being sold here? How UnAmerican. < /sarcasm>

Yeah,

While I'm at the race track I'm gonna smoke and drink too.

In all seriousness, voting for someone who I feel would uphold his oath and truly represent the electorate is the only way I'll ever go again.
538 posted on 12/10/2003 9:04:10 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You forgot the "sarcasm" tag.
539 posted on 12/10/2003 9:04:21 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: concerned about politics
The left will be just as silenced as we are. People are forgetting that. And WE own the political cash machine.

You know what? I'm getting real tired of being told by pollyannas that I have to keep on making lemonade from all the lemons that get dumped in my lap.

Today we've just been told we're restricted to lemonade from here on out. Why even try to be positive about it?

540 posted on 12/10/2003 9:04:22 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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