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LIVE THREAD: Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate (N.H.)
www.freerepublic.com ^ | November 9, 2003

Posted on 12/09/2003 3:40:51 PM PST by Howlin

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To: Howlin
Consider that THE worst case scenario. It won't happen.

But, Clinton WILL be a force to contend with in 2008. The natural electorate pendulum will want to swing back to a Democrat.

I'd like to see Condi Rice moved into the VP slot, and Dick Cheney take a ceremonial title. Same responsibilities and competencies, but we need a superstar coming out of that VP slot to beat Hillary in 2008. I don't think Jeb, Bill Owens, Frist or anyone ... but perhaps Arnold (if the Constitution is amended) ... can beat the Beast, no matter how talented and attractive they are. Jeb is the best qualified ... but Joe Blow American may reflexively not be comfortable with ANOTHER Bush in the Oval Office. Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush ... it's like the House of Tudors.

Clinton will completely reinvent herself, with the dutiful compliance of her media lackeys, the next four years. Condi Rice is the perfect foil, but only out of the VP slot. It's apparent, she's W's most trusted security/foreign policy advisor today. She travels everywhere he travels.

I think we'll have a female Prez in 2008. I hope it's Condi.

941 posted on 12/09/2003 8:51:50 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: Howlin
Nice zing from the Rev Al to Ted

But I'm surprised that nothing was said about the fact the the Rev Al was pretty much ignored in the debates tonight
942 posted on 12/09/2003 9:02:24 PM PST by Mo1 (House Work, If you do it right , will kill you!)
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To: ArneFufkin
You give Hillary too much credit. Sure, the RATS envision her as a powerful candidate, but she has way too much to sweep under the rug, and way too little appeal and charm, to ever be a serious contender among voters.

If she runs in 2008, she will get trounced by anybody the Republican juggernaut puts up.

943 posted on 12/09/2003 9:12:22 PM PST by Bush2004
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To: woodyinscc
I have every faith that by January 25th, 2009, the efforts of George W. Bush, our military, law enforcement officers and American public will have severely crippled the lethal threat that International Terrorism leveled just two years ago. We're a good way there already, IMO. We've got the bin Laden boy's choir seriously dead or on the run right now.

Success breeds furor among enemies, and it sows indifference among tepid supporters. If we are peaceful and secure, as I pray we will be, our neighbors and friends will go back into their selfish torpor and consider electing a candidate blowing the same bullcrap up bums that Bill Clinton did after the Gipper, the Pubbies and our tough ass military heroes won the Cold War. It's natural.

Hillary is not Michael Dukakis. We're going to need a better candidate in 2008 than George H.W. Bush was in 1988 to retain the White House.

It's a long time away, but the great thing? There are actually talented professionals in the GOP National and State organizations that are planning that far ahead.

That's the thing that really jazzes me these days. The guys and gals in the RNC, Senate and House National Committees and State orgs that are professional, systematic and relentless. Such a difference to 98 and 2000 under Nicholson, McConnell and that "let them eat cake" expense account padding crew. The GOP young guns in the House and Senate - and serving in State offices - are quantum leaps ahead of the roster the Democrats have either in the biggies, or down on their farm team.

Things are as upbeat as they can be.

944 posted on 12/09/2003 9:14:48 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: Howlin
And now some bimbo reporter just asked Gephardt, if he thinks Peter Jennings was to hard on everyone tonight

Gephardt had to correct her .. LOL
945 posted on 12/09/2003 9:16:57 PM PST by Mo1 (House Work, If you do it right , will kill you!)
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To: ArneFufkin
I hope it's Condi.

Me, too!

946 posted on 12/09/2003 9:21:27 PM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: Rebelbase
Thank you for that chart! You should really send that to Brit Hume and to Rush, Sean, and any other media outlet that might bother to report it.

We get told over and over about the lost jobs and we all believe it.

Thanks again!
947 posted on 12/09/2003 9:21:44 PM PST by terilyn
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To: ArneFufkin
Condi Rice is the perfect foil, but only out of the VP slot.

I came back on the thread to the immense pleasure of reading so many of your brilliant posts! I agree with everything you've said here but most especially with your comments about Condi. I've thought for a while that she is absolutely brilliant and will be an incredible Ace in the hole as far as preparing for Hillary's run. I think we will have a female President soon, it would make so much sense for her to be a Republican :-)

My big concern, though, is that I've heard she is not terribly socially conservative and I'm very afraid of her being attacked from the right much the same as Schwarzenegger was.

948 posted on 12/09/2003 9:21:52 PM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: Bush2004
Hillary is a superstar. Make no mistake about that. She's world class. I hate her viscerally, but she's a superpro.

By 2008, nobody will remember her as Bill Clinton's wife. She'll be carefully crafted, marketed and presented as a stateswoman, leader and visionary. Mark my words.

Bush will have a historically successful and important Presidency, therefore the mushy elecotrate will want to vote in a Democrat. That's the way it works.

949 posted on 12/09/2003 9:22:13 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: Tamsey
My big concern, though, is that I've heard she is not terribly socially conservative and I'm very afraid of her being attacked from the right much the same as Schwarzenegger was.

From memory:
Arnold 48.5 percent
Bustamante 31.5 percent
Right Wing Attack Dog Hero McClintock: 13.4 percent

Condi should be so wounded! ;^)

950 posted on 12/09/2003 9:25:10 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: swany
It's on his honeydo list now:)

Now that is one awesome hubby!

Tell him thousands of freeper females are jealous of you ;-)

951 posted on 12/09/2003 9:26:48 PM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: LurkerNoMore!
Hi! I was going to have the authorities check if there was a gas leak in your stately mansion!
952 posted on 12/09/2003 9:28:57 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
Condi should be so wounded! ;^)

True, true... less to worry about than I thought LOL

I just hope my Arnold battle scars will have healed by the time I start incurring new ones for Condi ;-)

953 posted on 12/09/2003 9:29:28 PM PST by Tamzee (Pennsylvanians for Bush! Join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PA4BushCheney/)
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To: Tamsey
I came back on the thread to the immense pleasure of reading so many of your brilliant posts!

Me, too!

And he's such a young whipper snapper!

954 posted on 12/09/2003 9:32:03 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Howlin
Young whippersnapper?

I graduated High School in '76, and I wasn't a child prodigy!

Don't confuse being a goofball with being young. ;^)

955 posted on 12/09/2003 9:34:46 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
Superstar? World Class? Superpro? Mark your words?

By 2008 Hitlery will be so ragged and scary that only the darkest feminazis will trumpet her. Mark my words, if she doesn't give it a go in 2004, she's done as a candidate that can actually win the Presidency.

956 posted on 12/09/2003 9:34:53 PM PST by Bush2004
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To: ArneFufkin
1976, eh?

Good lord, I was in the Junior League by then!
957 posted on 12/09/2003 9:37:35 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: ArneFufkin
You're still in your 19th year of NBA eligibility, though
958 posted on 12/09/2003 9:39:34 PM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: Bush2004
We disagree.
959 posted on 12/09/2003 9:43:51 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: LurkerNoMore!
LOL! I don't go out any June evening when the draft is held just in case the "call" comes.

I can still jump through the roof.

960 posted on 12/09/2003 9:45:51 PM PST by ArneFufkin
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