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To: Gunslingr3
This is not the same thing. This is a civil war that we are helping to keep from reigniting.

The Taiwan was formed by the fleeing Guomindang, or Nationalists, after the Gongchandang, or Communists, defeated them on the mainland. This is the continuing fight between the Republic of China, and the People's Republic of China.

It is not in anyone's interest to inflame the situation. China has their land, Taiwan has their island. So long as we are dedicated to keeping them apart by force, which Bush has already gone on the record and stated, there is no need to fuss when we try to keep the lid on the problem.

They are not being sold out or handed over to the PRC. We're just telling them to shut up. Since we could be dragged into fighting there, we have every right to tell them to shut up if we feel they are rocking the boat unnecessarily.

Standing by your friend in a barfight is one thing. Letting him pick a fight with the biggest guy in the room for no reason is another.

12 posted on 12/09/2003 11:45:58 AM PST by Steel Wolf (There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.)
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To: Steel Wolf
Your knowledge of this issue is fualty.

ye, even if your review were apt it does not have bearing on the bigger issue and indeed might even make it worse.

13 posted on 12/09/2003 11:47:23 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: Steel Wolf
The Taiwan was formed by the fleeing Guomindang, or Nationalists, after the Gongchandang, or Communists, defeated them on the mainland. This is the continuing fight between the Republic of China, and the People's Republic of China.

The Plymouth Colony was formed by the fleeing Puritans, or Non-Conformists , after the Church of England, or Mary and Elizabeth, defeated them on the mainland. This was the continuing fight between the Massachussetts Bay Colony, and the English.

19 posted on 12/09/2003 11:55:25 AM PST by Jim Cane
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To: Steel Wolf
This is not the same thing. This is a civil war that we are helping to keep from reigniting.

A Civil War? Is Taipie actually trying to conquer Beijing? This is about Indepedence. Even the Chinese have said this is about Indepedence.

WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

26 posted on 12/09/2003 12:04:59 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Steel Wolf
We're just telling them to shut up

America will lead by defending liberty and justice, because they are right and true and unchanging for all people everywhere. No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. George W. Bush

34 posted on 12/09/2003 12:19:03 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Steel Wolf
Standing by your friend in a barfight is one thing. Letting him pick a fight with the biggest guy in the room for no reason is another.

Well put! However, some folks are simply blind to the obvious!

60 posted on 12/09/2003 3:47:36 PM PST by verity
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To: Steel Wolf
Well said!
63 posted on 12/09/2003 4:17:25 PM PST by Reagan Renaissance
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To: Steel Wolf
While I don't disagree it's a sticky wicket, the one thing that comes to mind is that Taiwan is not the same thing. I'm no asian expert, but I do not believe Taiwan is the same renegade elements of Chiang Kai-shek's Kuomintang government. It's no longer a one-party state, but a democracy, the kind of nation Bush has espoused as being worth fighting for.
67 posted on 12/09/2003 9:34:28 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy.)
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