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The National Interest versus Corporate Interest
TradeAlert.org ^ | 13 Nov 2003 | William R. Hawkins

Posted on 12/09/2003 8:07:18 AM PST by AreaMan

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To: Cacique
Interesting read.
21 posted on 02/05/2004 3:03:55 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: A. Pole
all critical components in a weapon system would have had to be American-made and the overall system had to be 65 percent American. Those two requirements were eliminated under intense pressure from the Bush Administration,

Isnt that treason, and grounds for impeachment? I am not at all happy with bush, and I dont think he is a conservative, or that he is interested in protecting america's borders, america's jobs, or americas security interests.

What also bothers me, is that no conservative is running for president this year, not even Pat Buchannan, or alan keyes.

22 posted on 02/05/2004 4:52:56 PM PST by waterstraat
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To: hedgetrimmer
I can understand your frustration, but you have groups like Gun Owners Foundation, etc. that would be hurt by revoking all the non-profit status'. Just a little food for thought.
23 posted on 02/05/2004 5:11:14 PM PST by looscnnn (Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right? -- Megadeth (Peace Sells))
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To: looscnnn
The part that really is unConstituional, is the grants and loans they give these groups to take property out of the hands of the public. This must change.
24 posted on 02/05/2004 5:33:45 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
"The part that really is unConstituional, is the grants and loans they give these groups to take property out of the hands of the public. This must change."

I agree with that, but I don't agree with revoking all non-profit status'. Unfortunatly, the various forms of government can also take land from the public. Yes they have to compensate the owners, but the owner can not say no and that is wrong.
25 posted on 02/05/2004 5:37:51 PM PST by looscnnn (Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right? -- Megadeth (Peace Sells))
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To: All
I suppose that the Chinese people are the only ones who can save us from our own political parties and corporations.

With a "floating population" of 100 million unemployed, a high official unemployment rate, and millions "employed" in state owned worthless factories the chi-coms face revolution. They must also continue to ignore WTO rules. Their state-owned factories cannot compete otherwise.

The state-owned "factories" are a severe drain but closing them down would put millions more out of work. But continued funding by "bank loans" means a continuation of nonperforming loans at a rate of 30 percent (some say 50 percent) of the state-owned banks' "loans."

A recent BusinessWeek article asked, "However, the question that comes up most often is whether China, which has already attracted some $500 billion of foreign direct investment, is a gold mine or a minefield for European, American, and Japanese companies?"

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jan2004/nf20040123_3923.htm

They are bullish so they opted for gold mine. No one seems to care about them bad loans. An expert at

http://www.smartmoney.com/theproshop/index.cfm?story=20040130

explains, "'So what?' You cannot have free movement of capital in and out of China, so people are obliged to keep their money inside China and in renminbi. And the Chinese have very high savings rates. They have a 30% to 40% savings rate. That's what keeps the Chinese banks liquid. As long as the banks are liquid, nonperforming loans don't matter."

Being a chi-com bank means never having to give the money back to the depositors.

Not to worry, investors. I believe the chi-coms are about to "go public" with their state owned banks. You'll be able to put another $500 billion into this gold mine.

26 posted on 02/05/2004 6:33:42 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: waterstraat
What also bothers me, is that no conservative is running for president this year, not even Pat Buchannan, or alan keyes.

But you do have a choice! You can either vote for Beezlebub or you can vote for Lucifer. If you don't like those two candidates you can always go third party and choose Belial, the Devil or even Satan himself.

27 posted on 02/05/2004 6:41:40 PM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: Dr Warmoose
Bush is not much different than gore.

What is bad, is that all the liberal policies/desires of bush, gets right thru congress.

If a democrat got the white house though, the republican congress gets more conservative. A republican congress would not have approved gores homeland security bill, nor would they have approved gores prescription medicine, nor would they have approved a half trillion dollar gore deficit, nor would they have approved critical components of our weapons systems being made in communist countries, nor would they have approved invading another country without provocation, nor would they have approved of gore wanting to give citizenship to 10 million illegals.

28 posted on 02/05/2004 7:21:13 PM PST by waterstraat
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To: waterstraat
You give them too much credit, and you omit naming justices, how many of Gore's choices would you like to see confirmed? And don't tell me that republicans would fight as dirty as the democrats on this issue, cause it isn't in them.

But watch Bush, Kerry would gut the war on terrorism, he has already said he would bo back to Clinton's approach. Clinton's approach? he had an approach? You have no idea how bad it could be under gore, I thank G-d that Bush had the reins during 9-11 and I still am inclined to let him beat Kerry and serve four more years.

Would I like a more conservative pres? Sure I would, but we have to make choices. Don't worry so much.
29 posted on 02/05/2004 8:04:08 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Dominic Harr
That, I feel, is the real cause of our problems. That makes a 'business' into a 'collective person', and is the fount of all these problems.

I agree. We also have this new paradigm in business that says, "We need to show profit at the end of every month." When did this change. It used to be that quarterly profits were the benchmark. Now, everyone wants to see profit almost on a daily basis and they will do anything to achieve this.

People no longer invest in companies for the long term. It's "Make me money now or I'm out." that is also ruining the way businesses are operating.

30 posted on 02/06/2004 4:08:13 AM PST by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: A. Pole
"Those two requirements were eliminated under intense pressure from the Bush Administration,"

I really should have expected this, but I am struck dumb. I'll be outraged later, when it sinks in.

31 posted on 02/06/2004 5:20:10 AM PST by Mortimer Snavely (Comitas, Firmitas, Gravitas, Humanitas, Industria)
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To: AreaMan
The 7E7 is to be a super-efficient, long-range aircraft pushing the edge in aviation technology... Boeing wants more Chinese participation in the program because it sees Beijing as a strategically important part of its globalization strategy. Boeing has forecast that China will need nearly 2,400 new airliners long-range hi-tech bombers, worth $197 billion, over the next two decades.

So the 'ol 401k and pension fund needs supporting by selling out the next generation

White House has agreed to allow Boeing to transfer two 737-800 aircraft to China that contain the QRS11 computer chip in their navigation systems. The chip has the potential to be used for military applications, such as in missile guidance systems.

I never want to hear again any Bushbot call Clinton a traitor for the Loral Deal when Bush vetoed legislation that would have linked China's trade status with its performance on the spread of weapons - then performs the exact "act of treason" by giving his blessings over the hand-over of restricted military gear. In effect, George Bush is indeed arming our enemies like Iran and North Korea.

32 posted on 02/06/2004 5:21:03 AM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: A. Pole
Every day we see evidence that proves the John Birch Society right. There is no other explanation for this.
33 posted on 02/06/2004 5:22:40 AM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: Cacique
The corporations own the political parties. Both here and in Europe a corporate ruling class has taken over. They are transnational in nature, owing alegiance to no country and only to themselves. Profit at any cost is their motive.

To make matters worse, these are corperate SOCIALISTS who seek to prevent other people (like us) for making fortunes the way they did. Which is a form of hypocrisy in the highest of orders.

They delude themselves into thinking they will always be in charge. Of such stuff revolutions and upheavals are made.

Good point.

34 posted on 02/06/2004 5:28:34 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (Voting for a lesser evil is still an evil act and therefore evil...)
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To: AreaMan
"For example, the White House has agreed to allow Boeing to transfer two 737-800 aircraft to China that contain the QRS11 computer chip in their navigation systems. The chip has the potential to be used for military applications, such as in missile guidance systems. The chip is on the restricted Munitions List and should require an export license, but the State Department has given Boeing a pass. The House International Relations Committee has raised questions about this transaction, but will likely have no more success is constraining Boeing than did the House Armed Services committee. "

"...provide for the common defense"

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

...and in other related news last month, 12 Catholic Clerics were arrested in Communist China...
35 posted on 02/06/2004 6:54:29 AM PST by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: AreaMan
" China, in particular, has taken different shapes in different eyes at different times. An empire to be divided. A door to be opened. A model of collective conformity. A diplomatic card to be played. One year, it is said to be run by "the butchers of Beijing." A few years later, the same administration pronounces it a "strategic partner."

We must see China clearly -- not through the filters of posturing and partisanship. China is rising, and that is inevitable. Here, our interests are plain: We welcome a free and prosperous China. We predict no conflict. We intend no threat. And there are areas where we must try to cooperate: preventing the spread of weapons of mass destruction… attaining peace on the Korean peninsula.

Yet the conduct of China’s government can be alarming abroad, and appalling at home. Beijing has been investing its growing wealth in strategic nuclear weapons... new ballistic missiles… a blue-water navy and a long-range airforce. It is an espionage threat to our country. Meanwhile, the State Department has reported that "all public dissent against the party and government [has been] effectively silenced" – a tragic achievement in a nation of 1.2 billion people. China’s government is an enemy of religious freedom and a sponsor of forced abortion – policies without reason and without mercy.

All of these facts must be squarely faced. China is a competitor, not a strategic partner. We must deal with China without ill-will – but without illusions.Governor George W. Bush November 19,1999 Speach on Foreign Policy at Ronald Reagan Presidential Library

36 posted on 02/06/2004 7:59:05 AM PST by quack
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To: raybbr
People no longer invest in companies for the long term.

I think it's a phase, I think American big IT is where American big automakers were in the late 70's.

In fact, I see a lot of signs that suggest that this phase is already ending . . .

37 posted on 02/06/2004 10:54:55 AM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: waterstraat
What also bothers me, is that no conservative is running for president this year, not even Pat Buchannan, or alan keyes.

It is my speculation, but that Alan Keyes would virtually have to be drafted, with a $100 million primary-contest war-fund to entice him in. And to what end? Even that would not be enough. He would be accused of disloyalty to the GOP, and indeed, might unsettle enough voters to sit out. GWB's $70 million war chest was invincible last time around with a crowded field ganging up on GWB. Today, with a monopoly, he already has over $120 million in the bank. A like amount would be needed to make it even a slight contest. Where is THAT going to come from?

38 posted on 02/08/2004 2:21:32 PM PST by Paul Ross ("A country that cannot control its borders isn't really a country any more."-President Ronald Reagan)
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