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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
My condolences for the loss of your father-in-law. That is a uniquely challenging and introspective thing for your husband, any man, to process. The father-son relationship is complex and thought provoking beyond our usually clueless male parameters, and I really hope your hubby and his Dad were close and loving when he passed.

Concerning the medical care your father in law received at the end of his life? Take it to a lawyer and he'll know if there's malpractice or neglect. Remember however ... humans die. Your FIL was in ICU for 13 days. He was a critically ill, near death patient. I wouldn't burden yourself with finger pointing here. DOCTORS and NURSES do not kill their patients. Patients, ICU patients, sometimes die without help.

But ... NO medical professional of any import and integrity would offer a medical opinion or advice over the INTERNET. None. I always cringe when I see RNs spewing their insights, opinions and advice here. It's irresponsible if they identify themselves as Nursing Professionals. Thanks, Ms. Nurse cyber-expert on distended abdomens, but you ain't touching me

Beach Babe seems, from her presentation of Marilyn's detailed care regimen, to be a nurse anyway.

I've gleaned throughout this thread that there are severe issues at hand: Marilyn has no health insurance, no Will and apparently the family siblings (if still alive) are removed, isolated and incommunicado. There's a mother, and an older brother in New York who is really stepping like a man it seems. Is there an estate, a life insurance policy or annuity in effect?

Marilyn is now in Hospice. Hospice is SUPPOSED to be about a secure, comfortable and family centric end of life process. It's not handing over a car to a tow truck heading for the salvage yard. It's your family, your blood, caring and loving and shepherding a loved one to blissful afterlife in God's Kingdom.

I just hope her family can come together and share their blessing of her life, and her life's passing.

I've got to say this ... this sad event sounds like the start of a Freeping financial, legal and emotional mess. It makes me sad.

334 posted on 12/24/2003 9:17:46 AM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin; getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL; Vets_Husband_and_Wife
SHALOM!

Hi...Arne,

Concerning Your Posts and Opinions posted on this thread...while some if it is comforting...sometimes:

SILENCE IS GOLDEN.

336 posted on 12/24/2003 11:16:58 AM PST by Simcha7 ((The Plumb - Line has been Drawn, T'shuvah/Return for The Kingdom of HaShem is at hand!))
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To: ArneFufkin
In an effort to stop you from doing this for once and for all, I'm going to point out some of your statements. I also must point out at this time that I have asked you in PRIVATE FREEPMAIL to please discontinue your comments on this thread, as this is a time for SUPPORT for Alice. What you are doing is extremely disturbing.

"Beach Babe seems, from her presentation of Marilyn's detailed care regimen, to be a nurse anyway".

WRONG.. she is a loving sister, who sadly is having to learn medical terminology because her sister is ill, and now I'm sad to say...dying. I can't tell you the agonizing freepmail I've rec'd from her. She loves her sister to no end. And she has learned the "lingo" as she has gone along, as do many family members in simular situations.

"I've gleaned throughout this thread that there are severe issues at hand: Marilyn has no health insurance, no Will and apparently the family siblings (if still alive) are removed, isolated and incommunicado. There's a mother, and an older brother in New York who is really stepping like a man it seems. Is there an estate, a life insurance policy or annuity in effect?"

True, Marilyn was between jobs, and had no health insurance. Which Alice mentioned on this thread. I do not recall her saying there was No "WILL". This was always a desperate attempt at finding out what was wrong with Marilyn. I also DO NOT RECALL ANY MENTION of the family being "REMOVED, ISOLATED AND INCOMMINCADO"!! In fact, they are close! There "IS" an elderly Mother, poor woman, who is LOSING her daughter. And if you would,.. explain this comment to me: "an older brother in New York who is really stepping like a man it seems". Because right now I have an extremely sick feeling in my stomach even imagining what you might have meant. On second thought.. DON'T explain that to me! Lastly in the QUOTE ABOVE, you insinuate it is about money. Boy.. you really take the cake!

"Marilyn is now in Hospice. Hospice is SUPPOSED to be about a secure, comfortable and family centric end of life process. It's not handing over a car to a tow truck heading for the salvage yard. It's your family, your blood, caring and loving and shepherding a loved one to blissful afterlife in God's Kingdom."

"I just hope her family can come together and share their blessing of her life, and her life's passing."

"I've got to say this ... this sad event sounds like the start of a Freeping financial, legal and emotional mess. It makes me sad."

How you got that this is the beginning of a financial, legal and emotional mess is beyond me. Other than the horrendous emotion of losing someone you love so deeply, this is and always was a support thread. We have been trying to put our minds together to figure out what was going on. Nothing more.. nothing less. Tortured minds would only conjure up something more.... and that is what is so sad about your posts.

I told you in freepmail that I worked as a Hospice volunteer for 3 years helped 7 patients and their families. Alice and her family and dear friend Claudia, are doing everything humanly possible to help their sister and friend. They always have from what I have witnessed. They still are! Yet you come here and write insulting words.

I am asking you once again, as nicely as I can, but this time publicly, to please respect this family in this time of deep grief and leave this thread if you can't do that. We are here to support Alice in her time of need and prayer. I hope you will join us in that endeavor,.. if you can't.. then please, just leave.

337 posted on 12/24/2003 11:33:36 AM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: ArneFufkin; Texas Termite; Brad's Gramma; farmfriend; Simcha7; Yaelle; No More Gore Anymore; ...
Arne, please let us handle this in the way that we see fit.
No one asked you for your advice.

We have no problem exchanging ideas to try to help in whatever way we can.
God is here to help, but He expects us to do the footwork.
That's what we're attempting to do.
You do a disservice to Beach Babe, all the people who have prayed on this thread, but, most of all, to Marilyn.

For your information, I just went through this about two months ago with my sister.
I was completely alone making all the decisions about life and death.
That was dumb!
If I ever have to do that again, I'll bring it to my prayer family for their advice and prayer.

We have no ulterior purpose.
We just want to help.
I pray that you will join us, but if you choose to castigate us for our efforts, I ask that you leave us alone.

339 posted on 12/24/2003 12:28:23 PM PST by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: ArneFufkin
Can you just let this go???

Be a honorable FReeper and walk away.


I'll compose your final post on this thread for you. Please just copy and paste.

Copy start:

Marilyn, I will keep you in my prayers.

Now paste it in a new response pane and leave.

Thanks,
Tom

342 posted on 12/24/2003 12:56:39 PM PST by Eaker (Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. - Lazarus Long)
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