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To: Ispy4u
lol.....nice flamewar.

Btw, every single General and Colonel now working for FOX News as a military analyist (of which there are several) essentially has the same take on the matter -- that Colonel West acted as they themselves would've acted, and that court martialing him not only would play havoc with troop morale, but would also encourage the enemy.

Sometimes initiative is required in battlefield situations, and sometimes that necessarily requires breaking a reg or two. The Freepers who believe otherwise would've fit in very nicely in the Third Reich, where everything was done "by the book" at all times. ...."I was just following orders and regulations." ......One doesn't need to think on his feet. Thankfully most Americans are made of different stuff -- we can improvise when necessary.

204 posted on 12/09/2003 10:41:46 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
The Freepers who believe otherwise would've fit in very nicely in the Third Reich, where everything was done "by the book" at all times. ...."I was just following orders and regulations."

Excellent point. It reminds me of a movie called "Equilibrium" where in an effort to avoid another war, humankind established a totalitarian/fascist society, the effects of which were exactly the same as continual war. My favorite line comes when one of the enforcers says "What good has this society done us", which was answered by his partner, words to the effect that "we have eliminated war and murder". The first guy then said "What is it you think that we do ?"

206 posted on 12/09/2003 10:51:15 AM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy. Hillary is.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
They are working for Fox now and don't have to answer to the UCMJ. If they think it's so damn wrong why the hell didn't they fight to change those rules over the past two years. The POW/detainee rules for GWOT have been unchanged since Afghanistan post 9-11.

Battlefield initiative is very different from coercing information by threatening someones life. The guy was probably lying, it's been shown so many times that those techniques yield lies it's not even funny.

But to me the worst infraction is that he failed to set the proper example for his troops. Inexcusable IMO.
207 posted on 12/09/2003 10:52:20 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: Mr. Mojo
PS I recommend that movie to all Freepers. It basically shows what happens when the "peace at all costs" people get their way.
208 posted on 12/09/2003 10:52:58 AM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy. Hillary is.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Btw, every single General and Colonel now working for FOX News as a military analyist (of which there are several) essentially has the same take on the matter -- that Colonel West acted as they themselves would've acted, and that court martialing him not only would play havoc with troop morale, but would also encourage the enemy.

And we concur in this house with their sentiments!! We pray to God the charges will be totally dismissed for those exact reasons.

221 posted on 12/09/2003 11:49:58 AM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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