CDC vaccines study slammed as cover-up

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, December 9, 2003 | Kelly Patricia O Meara

[Maelstrom]

I just did.

Morbidity rates from influenza in contemporary times 1980's on before the flu shots were low double digits or single digits per 100,000.

[bonesmccoy]

I'm a board certified physician and I agree with your comments above... however, let me correct you about the contents of the flu vaccine.

This year's vaccine was picked and produced six months ago.

There are several different strains that were targetted by the vaccine.

One of the strains was missed because the virus mutated some (genetic drift) prior to reaching the United States.

There is still cross reactivity between the vaccine and the wild virus. So, despite not a being a perfect match, the vaccine will provide some degree of protection.

Now, regarding the allegations of this group of researchers, instead of publishing in the popular media allegations of problems, legitimate researchers go out and do RESEARCH.

Instead of filing litigation with liberal law firms and having ex-gov Gray Davis funding their "non-profits" with millions of dollars of appropriations from the California state gov't...

Instead of launching criticism unprofessionally in the media...

They should quit complaining about the CDC and GO DO THE RESEARCH THEMSELVES in a controlled fashion and then PUBLISH THE RESULTS in Pediatrics...

Now, if AAP's people reject the research, THEN you have the real story.

[Lee'sGhost]

"I just did. "

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were the authority.

"Morbidity rates from influenza in contemporary times 1980's on before the flu shots were low double digits or single digits per 100,000."

Uh, turn that into hard numbers and we're only talking about 26 million people, but what the hey.

I CAN tell you this, if the strain turns out to be something like the Spanish flu and nobody gets a flu shot, we can count on about 40 million fatalities worldwide. I don't know, turn that into a rate and you might think it's acceptable.

Here's some info from some folks who actually do this for a living that you might be interested in.

http://www.eswi.org/The_case_for_routine_influenza_immunisation_for_children.cfm

[Lee'sGhost]

Thank you. You make the point much better than I ever could.

[Lee'sGhost]

"There are several different strains that were targetted by the vaccine. "

Thanks. I knew that, but I do tend to talk in shortcuts.

[Lil'freeper]

I agree wholeheartedly. I'd like to see these numbers for myself. And if it's nothing more than a database query, it shouldn't be that hard.

But your comment GO DO THE RESEARCH THEMSELVES in a controlled fashion and then PUBLISH THE RESULTS, brings up a series of issues I have with that system in general. I won't hold my breath waiting for the science establishment to even acknowledge these problems, let alone debate them properly.

1. From where is the money going to come? The feds are reluctant to 'waste' money on research that will attempt to disprove entrenched theories. Hence plenty of money to prove the infinite ways saturated is so very bad for you and no money to research a Hg-vaccine-autism connection.

But if a private group raises money to do their own research, the results will be dismissed with claims of "Bias!"- even if they are published in reputable journals. The assumption will be that the group was just trying to desperately prove what they already believe or are just trying to make a profit.

The feds (and, through them, academia) are biased because they judge which questions deserve to be answered. Private industry is biased because they have an agenda. Is there any way clear of this bias trap?

2. Can peer review and journal publication really be trusted? Sure it's the best system we have, but the same people sitting in review have established their careers and egos on status quo, entrenched theories. Research that is too hostile will be rejected because it is "wrong", or "quackery", or "fringe science". This leaves the journal reader to assume that work published in the journal is, by default, right. If this article's author is correct in the allegation that data that didn't support the conclusions were deliberately left out, then there is a serious problem with this system!

Then there's the bias in the reputation of the journals themselves. From what I can tell, elitist Nature and Science might as well be scripture they're so nigh unto infallible < /sarcasm >. While the more obscure journals, where some real gems finally get published, are regarded as less authoritative and easily ignored.

I'm truly just ranting, as I don't see a real solution. So yes, let the Hg-autism crowd go do some real research and get published. If they do get past the hurdles I've described and given the stifling inertia of establishment science, I ask, "Who is going to pay any attention?!!?"

[templar]

Eight children have now died in Colorado since the season began just last month.

Vaccinated or not? I heard a radio talk show hoist claiming that he could find no informatioin about whether or not the dead children had been vaccinated or not (he was trying to imply that may they were vicitims of the shot I think, but maybe I misunderstood)

[LLPH1]

It's not likely that anyone will die from 25ug of mercury in the flu shots. However, it could be that chronic long term problems are made worse in individuals who's bodies cannot clear this burden for various reasons (genetic, immune system problems). Repeated, year to year, exposure could be even worse. The facts are no one really knows as the CDC/FDA have never done toxicity studies on this form of mercury. They have said it is "biologically plausible" and when one considers that mercury is the 2nd most toxic known to man it seems a big duh.

How mercury causes Brain neuron degeneration:
http://movies.commons.ucalgary.ca/mercury/

Only single dose vials (with pink plungers) are mercury free [look for thimerosal or sodium merthiolate on packaging insert]. The nasal spray has no mercury but remember it is an active form and one becomes a source of inoculum to everyone around them for 28 days - the label states this. To me that's like salting the popcorn to by more drinks at the theater.

But you wont see mercury coming out of shots any time fast. If they did do this, autism rates would drop and it would throw up red flags.

Everyone should be concerned about exposures to mercury. As potential mercury iduced problems like ADD, autism and alzhiemer's increase, so does the burden to our society. Take austim, talk about missed work from flu! What about a lifetime of "missed work" and no paying taxes. First these individuals will be a burden to the educational system growing up as they are insured an education through IDEA (although the gov has yet to appropriately fund it). As these people grow older, black balled by insurers, they will become wards of the medicare system. We arent talking billions of dollars - trillions are the current estimate.

The CDC study they refer to is rife with conflicts of interest. The lead investigator left the CDC before the study was published and now works for GSK.

His original findings in Spring of 2000 DID show a statistically significant relationship (2.48x) between increasing amounts of thimerasol continaing vaccines (TVC) and neurogical problems like autism, speech delays and ADD. Susbsequent findings have turned up rates of 6-20x more likely.

In the Summer of 2000 CDC, FDA and Vaccine manufacturers met in secret at Simpsonwood, Ga to discuss the Spring 2000 findings before publishing the results in Oct 2000. These minutes were obtained via the FOIA and here are excerpts commenting on the findings in Spring 2000:

• Dr. Robert Brent, of Thomas Jefferson University and the Dupont Hospital for Children said, “…we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits if they were initiated and I am concerned.”

• Dr. Tom Verstraeten (the lead researcher who left CDC to work for GSK) said, “...we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposures and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes...” Also, “But one thing that is for sure, there is certainly an under-ascertainment of all of these because some of the children are just not old enough to be diagnosed.”

• Bill Weil, M.D., representing the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), said, “You can play with this all you want.” [The numbers] are linear. They are statistically significant.”

• When discussing data manipulation, Dr. Philip Rhodes, a statistician at the CDC and co-author of both studies said, “So you can push, I can pull. But there has been substantial movement from this very highly significant result down to a fairly marginal result.”

• "There was really no need to do this study. We could have predicted the outcomes;"

• One doctor is quoted as saying "I will not give Thimerosal Containing Vaccines to my grandson until I find out what is going on here."

All subsequent studies have manipulated the data to be inconclusive.

It would be great if someone could replicate their results with their data however they will NOT let anyone obtain access to the raw data - hmmm that doesnt seem very scientific and assuring.

Everyone, regardless of political viewpoint SHOULD be concerned. ALL this burden will come down on taxpayers, society and likely their own minds and bodies.

[Maelstrom]

Let the rest of the world dick around with it then.

[Paved Paradise]

MILD mental problems????

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

[Paved Paradise]

May the Lord truly bless you and give you strength. Our local paper ran a very moving three day series on a local family with three sons (set of twins and oldest boy)whom have all been diagnosed with autism. The oldest was normal until about 18 mos. I think it was and then regressed. The article moved me to tears. The suffering that poor mom and dad have been through was something I never really thought about. It made me have a new appreciation for parents going through a trial like this. However, there is much, much hope, because of some new therapies. The financial toll it takes, not to mention emotional and physical, is beyond most people's comprehension. I admire you for your courage; I now know that no one with a child like this could survive without it.

[TaxRelief]

LG,

Let me try this again.

Is it worth the risk of mercury build-up for otherwise healthy adults to have flu shots on an annual basis? What do 70 years of flu shots with thimerasol do to a healthy adult?

I am not worried asking about a reaction to the shot or even the "getting sick" myth about the shots.

I am also not asking about infants.

[Lee'sGhost]

Ah, that's a fair question. However, most people do not get a shot every year for 70+ years. Most people don't get them as healthy adults. Plus, the flu vaccine may not even have Thimerosal.

Here's some CDC info on the subject.

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Does the influenza vaccine contain thimerosal?

Yes, the majority of influenza vaccines distributed in the United States currently contain thimerosal as a preservative. However, some contain only trace amounts of thimerosal and are considered by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to be preservative-free. Manufacturers of preservative-free flu vaccine use thimerosal early in the manufacturing process. The thimerosal gets diluted as the vaccine goes through the steps in processing. By the end of the manufacturing process there is not enough thimerosal left in the vaccine to act as a preservative and the vaccine is labeled ‘preservative-free’.


Can I get an influenza vaccine that does not contain thimerosal?

For the 2002-2003 flu season, a limited number of individually packaged doses of preservative free, reduced thimerosal-content influenza vaccine are available from Evans Vaccines and Aventis Pasteur. The Evans reduced thimerosal-content vaccine is approved for use in persons over the age of 3 years. In September 2002, the FDA approved Aventis Pasteur’s Fluzone® Preservative-free: Pediatric Dose, Influenza Virus Vaccine for use in children 6 months of age and older. Fluzone® is packaged in 0.25 ml dose syringes for persons under 3 years of age, and in 0.50 ml dose syringes for persons 3 years and older (including pregnant women).

[bonesmccoy]

I banned thiomerosal from our office (as much as possible) in late 1999.

I realized this was a liability issue in 1998.

But, the studies didn't discuss this issue until the last year.

I still don't totally believe them myself.

The study is easy to do.

If someone in this thread wants to come up with the 10,000 dollars needed to run the study, cough it up and I go public.

If not, forget it... I'll keep doing my quiet form of medicine and the ban on thiomerosal in our office sticks.

[bonesmccoy]

I have flu vaccine which contains traces of thimerosal... but I am not afraid of using it on myself... the exposure of Mercury is so low in an adult that it does not pose much risk.

The real issue is the use in the newborns, for which flu vaccine is not indicated.

[Betty Jo]

So, only give your kids mercury free vacs.

Would our government lie to us?

Please !

I am the mother of a 41 year old son who has mental retardation,siezures and behavioral problems.

When I started advocating for changes in special ed,hardly any autistic parents were around.

Now there are so many.

How many handicapped children of 30-40 years ago were misdiagnosed as having conditions other than autisim?

How many died in lockup situations?

What is the real rate of autism for the last 50 years?

I dont think we will ever know.

Could our government possibly lie to us?

[riri]

What do 70 years of flu shots with thimerasol do to a healthy adult?

Well, what does 70 years worth of ingesting chemicals, preservatives, additives,(as we do on a daily basis) etc. do to a healthy adult?

[TaxRelief]

Except for sodium nitrate and sodium phosphate in ham (isn't there something in wine?), I don't believe I'm ingesting chemicals, preservatives, additives...on a daily basis.

I eat fresh meat, cheese, eggs, well-washed fresh or frozen vegetables, fresh or frozen fruit, fresh bread and fresh grains. I drink milk, orange juice, tea and wine. Sounds fairly additive free...

Wait, wait, wait! There's BHT in my cereal. (Who wants stale cereal?)

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You must think I eat things like Krispy Kreme Donuts!

Ingredients of a Krispy Kreme raspberry-filled glazed donut:
Ingredients: Enriched bleached wheat flour (contains bleached wheat flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), dextrose, vegetable shortening (partially hydrogenated soybean and/or cottonseed oil), water, sugar, soy flour, egg yolks, vital wheat gluten, yeast, nonfat milk, yeast nutrients (calcium sulfate, ammonium sulfate), dough conditioners (calcium dioxide, monocalcium and dicalcium phosphate, diammonium phosphate, sodium stearoyl-2-lactylate, whey, starch, ascorbic acid, sodium bicarbonate, calcium carbonate), salt, mono- and diglycerides, ethoxylated mono-and diglycerides, lecithin, calcium propionate (to retain freshness), cellulose gum, natural and artificial flavors, fungal alpha amylase, amylase, maltogenic amylase, pentosanase, protease, sodium caseinate, corn maltodextrin, corn syrup solids and BHT (to help protect flavor). Raspberry filling also contains: Corn syrup, pectin, citric acid, proplylene glycol alginate, calcium carrageenan, potassium chloride, sodium benzoate (to retain freshness), Red 40, and Blue 1. Glaze may also contain: Calcium carbonate, agar, locust bean gum, disodium phosphate, and sorbitan monostearate.

[TaxRelief]

How about 10,000 people contributing $1 each or only 2,000 people chipping in $5 each? There must be 2,000 families willing to pay $5 to find out the risk of mercury in vaccines.

This could probably even be accomplished with an email chain letter that passes through the "Mom" world.

[riri]

Somehow, instictively, I knew I was asking that question to the wrong person. LOL

Not that I eat horribly or an completely ignorant of nurtrition but I would go out on a limb and say I have eaten a estimated 1,768 (1 a week for 34 years, give or take) McDonalds cheeseburgers in my life. Now, that must have cumulative effect on a living organism. I just can't get myself all worked up over a flu shot, at this point.