[Nick Danger]

What's your pay grade, Nick?

Are you paying attention? This guy is accusing the President of the United States of treason. He's being really weasely about it, but that's what he's doing.

It isn't Rove who blocks "these concerns." It's the President. Are you getting that? Not only that, but when push comes to shove, the PRESIDENT jumps down people's throats about being racist. That isn't just some act that Grover Norquist puts on; it's Bush policy. Capice? "And furthermore, that evil Grover Norquist also...."

"Grover's donor," whom "Grover" made chairman of the Islamic Institute, is a guy who's known Bush since Harkin Energy days. Ding ding ding. Hello? This is not "Grover's donor." This is "Bush's investor," who had 17% of Harkin Energy, way back when. Who do you think called whom to get that guy named chairman of the Islamic Institute? Which way are the Moslems flowing? Is Grover placing them in the White House, or is "the White House" placing them in Grover's shop? And if they're going both ways, what does that tell you? When Mystery Correspondent drags that guy into the mud with the terrorists, he makes sure to tell us that it's all about Grover Norquist... as the knife slips quietly into Bush.

If you think about it, there is an alternate explanation that fits these facts that does not require two lifelong conservative activists to suddenly turn and sell out their country for money that neither one of them needs. Instead it requires that there be such a thing as strategery. I like that hypothesis better. One hazard of the analytics business is that you can get so bogged down in the twigs that you can't even see the trees, let alone the forest. I never let that happen. But I've seen it happen, and I think I'm seeing it here.

[Sabertooth]

Are you paying attention? This guy is accusing the President of the United States of treason. He's being really weasely about it, but that's what he's doing.

Actually, Nick, you're being worse than weaselly with this little strawman.

This ploy has been tried before to stifle this debate in this forum.

Detailing the Islamist ties of Grover Norquist = accusing President Bush of treason?

What shameful, repugnant tripe.

Didn't work before; won't work now.

You're caught way short on facts and background on this case, but thought you could weigh in and bluster your way out of the Norquistian corner into which you've painted yourself with your series of fallacious posts running up and down this thread.

You know, the Grover Norquist about whom you said: "In short, Grover Norquist has been of enormous help to us in connecting us with other people and organizations that share our goals."

You've failed, and badly, so now you're fabricating a charge of treason against the President by another poster. What a complete cop-out.

[bvw]

Well you didn't answer my question. And I asked it, because you had asked it of another, and in my opinion, it is always a *bad* question.

George Washington had the greatest respect for Thomas Paine. That was because Paine had wrtitten some broadsides that were extremely effective in improving morale and recruiting to the Patriot cause. Washington, likely, very much agreed himself with the sentiments expresssed in them. Just before the Crossing of the Delaware, in that dark moment -- General;Washington assembled his remaining troopers and read them Thomas Paine's "Summer Soldier".

Washington's motto for that evening -- the next few days of the Crossing and the first Battle of Trenton were "Victory or Death.".

That is how Washington lived, many years the commander in a dangerous and dark time, throught which he DID lead us. By honor and resolute demeanor, he would never have asked such a ridiculous, demeaning, dishonorable question.

Thomas Paine was a Private in Washington's Army, not an officer. He was far below Washington's pay grade. He was, it turned out later in his life, a complainer, a whiner, a drunkard. Yet never once did Washington ever disrespect him.

To a great man like Washington, a truly great man -- no other man is "below his pay grade". Every man deserves a fair hearing and respect.