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To: philman_36
Nevertehless, Grover is considered part and parcel of the whole package, whether it is liked or not.

Hey, that's fine - I just want to know that we're getting the whole package. And so far, throwing Grover on the pyre doesn't persuade me that he is, all by himself, the whole package. If Grover did things he shouldn't oughta done, so be it, but he's not the end of the questions here - I just can't escape the feeling that somebody somewhere is covering their own butt by tossing Grover to the wolves. Maybe he even deserves it, but if he shouldn't be alone in the shitstorm, let's not let whoever else is responsible off the hook too.

Doesn't seem like you're doing that to me. You, and others, appear to be trying to minimize affiliations that have gone on since before the last election for political expediency.

Who's minimizing anything? If anything, the folks telling you Grover's the beginning and end of this problem are the ones minimizing this. I don't believe that, and I don't believe that some of the posters here touting that notion - not you in particular - believe it either. I think someone's setting up Grover to use as a club against much bigger fish, in that old guilt-by-association game.

Or maybe, just maybe, I'll find a whole bunch of threads assigning responsibility to the man at the top, Der Schlicker himself.
Now that I would like to see! Maybe though, you couldn't.

Riiiiiight. So when Algore got busted in the Buddhist temple, everybody blamed the Buddhists, right? When Chinese influence-peddlers and assorting comsymp moneymen were cavorting in the White House, nobody here pinned that on Clinton, right? Somebody's setting this up to make political hay about the White House itself, and I don't believe for a minute that it'll stop with Norquist being labeled a terrorist sympathizer.

You seem to care not where the blade ends up.

On the contrary, I decline to participate in the witch-hunt today, thank you. I'm content to let the whole story come out, rather than relying on the word of people who can barely disguise the fact that they hate Norquist, which is pretty much all you've got to work with so far. If there's more there, I want to know about it, rather than pretending that if we make Grover go away, this'll never ever happen again.

Another of those incomplete questions. How do you ever expect anyone to carry on a conversation with you? Or is it that you have no wish to carry on a conversation with anyone so you ask incomplete questions deliberately?

I suspect that you're just about the only one who is having trouble with the sort of basic english comprehension needed to follow what I'm saying. Actually, I don't even think you're having trouble with it - for whatever reason, you've decided to play little rhetorical games rather than discuss the issues at hand, perhaps in an attempt to score some sort of debating points with the peanut gallery. I don't know. Frankly, I don't care.

The two of you have given me an epiphany though with your 513-517 replies. The MO is so obvious now. I'll see the both of you on the next WOsD threads in ya'lls various pseudonymous characters.

What in the hell are you blathering about? Lemme let you down really gently, sport - I haven't posted to the WOD threads in a good long time now, and I only run under the one name here. I do scan 'em occasionally though, and I recognize you from them. Here's the funny part - mostly, I'm pretty sympathetic to the points I've seen you make. Heck, I agree with a lot of what you have to say on that issue. But hey, you know sooooooo much about me from this thread, right? Hell, you don't even have to ask me about my opinion on anything any more, do you?

Sheesh. Whatever.

559 posted on 12/15/2003 12:52:47 AM PST by general_re (Knife goes in, guts come out! That's what Osaka Food Concern is all about!)
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To: general_re
I just can't escape the feeling that somebody somewhere is covering their own butt by tossing Grover to the wolves.

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I think someone's setting up Grover to use as a club against much bigger fish, in that old guilt-by-association game.

Are these two different people?

Seems to me that only a higher-up could throw Grover to the wolves, if that's what's happening. However, if that's what's happening, then I think your second statement is inoperative.


561 posted on 12/15/2003 1:01:11 AM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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