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To: hchutch
" And why shouldn't I like Norquist and Rove - on most fronts, they have delivered considerable progress towards getting reasonable officials elected, reasonable policies pursued, and I am comfortable with their strategy. I'd like to see a lot of those policies continued. Certainly, I don't like people who want to undercut successful conservatives. "

Yes, but let's see, they also helped engineer the highest increase in spending, non-defense primarily by the way, since LBJ? And that's not counting the new drug dollop and the aborning effort to subsidize another 12 million illegal aliens --- and the first term isn't even over yet!

Grover attempted to get elected Kamal Nawash to the VA state senate this year -- a radical Muslim lawyer, who , along with Stanley Cohen, the lawyer for Hamas, is representing Libya & AlQaeda-charged terrorist detainee (and Norquist seed donor; Saffuri mentor)A. Alamoudi. Grover held a fundrasier for Nawash at his house ti summer. Yep, just let's elect more radical Muslim terrorist lawyers to show we have a big tent.

Grover's Islamist-support efforts are serving to "undercut successful conservatives." Starting with George Bush, not to mention John Ashcroft and Frank Gaffney, et al.

May I ask how old you are?

480 posted on 12/14/2003 7:50:32 PM PST by Trollstomper
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To: Trollstomper; Southack; Nick Danger; Bob J
*Yawn*

Again, kindly explain to me why it is we should forego providingpeople with the evidence aginst them - as required by the Sixth Amendment.

"Yes, but let's see, they also helped engineer the highest increase in spending, non-defense primarily by the way, since LBJ? And that's not counting the new drug dollop and the aborning effort to subsidize another 12 million illegal aliens --- and the first term isn't even over yet!"

Southack has compiled a pretty good list of what we GOT in return.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc/1038819/posts?page=156#156

Stuff like unsigning Kyoto, deploying the beginnings of a national missile defense, two tax cuts, two state sponsors of terrorism - Islamic terrorism, I might add - removed from power and one of those heads of state IN CUSTODY, banned partial-birth abortion...

Those accomplishments are not free. So the question I pose is this: Do you consider the gains Bush has made worth the price that he has paid to this point?

I do.

And for the record, the first vote for Senator I ever made went to Ollie North in 1994. It is a vote I would repeat without hesitation,a and which I do not regret. You cannot say I will not support thiose who put it on the line for national security.
484 posted on 12/14/2003 8:11:45 PM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: Trollstomper; aristeides
Grover attempted to get elected Kamal Nawash to the VA state senate this year -- a radical Muslim lawyer, who , along with Stanley Cohen, the lawyer for Hamas, is representing Libya & AlQaeda-charged terrorist detainee (and Norquist seed donor; Saffuri mentor)A. Alamoudi. Grover held a fundrasier for Nawash at his house ti summer.

I used to live in Virginia years ago. I was unaware that Norquist went to these lengths. Thanks for the tidbit, TrollStomper.

488 posted on 12/14/2003 8:27:42 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Trollstomper
Grover attempted to get elected Kamal Nawash to the VA state senate this year -- a radical Muslim lawyer, who , along with Stanley Cohen, the lawyer for Hamas, is representing Libya & AlQaeda-charged terrorist detainee (and Norquist seed donor; Saffuri mentor)A. Alamoudi. Grover held a fundrasier for Nawash at his house ti summer. Yep, just let's elect more radical Muslim terrorist lawyers to show we have a big tent. (snip) Grover's Islamist-support efforts are serving to "undercut successful conservatives." Starting with George Bush, not to mention John Ashcroft and Frank Gaffney, et al. (snip) ...it's all out there. And a lot more. Google Awash.

I don't particularly like lawyers. I don't like Johnny Cochran but that doesn't make him a murderer because he defended OJ. Now, I don't know this guy from Adam so I did what you suggested, a little googling. Here's what I found out about the this Ismamist manica, this crazed terrorsymp, this danger to Western civilization.

"An immigrant who came to the United States speaking no English, Kamal went on to earn degrees in business and law. Today, Kamal is an immigration attorney and a Partner in a Virginia Law firm."

"Kamal recognizes that his community is entering a time of transition. Many Northern Virginians spend too much time in traffic, too little time with their families, and worry too much about the quality of their schools, their lives and their neighborhoods."

"He is running for the State Senate to represent all the people of his District and give a voice to those who have never been heard. He wants to serve his community everyday of the year and not just during election time. And he wants a Virginia that moves forward without leaving anyone behind."

"Kamal began life as a refugee. One of six children born in Bethlehem, Kamal was nine years old when his family arrived in New Orleans in 1979."

"Immigrating to the United States was not easy. His father spoke some English; Kamal knew only the first seven letters of the alphabet -- "A, B, C, D, E, F, G."

"As a child, Kamal helped his mom and dad operate their family's grocery store and came to appreciate the life of hard- working, small business owners like his parents."

"My parents spent a significant part of their lives in a refugee camp. We lived in poverty for many years. Everything to us was a struggle but we were inspired by the belief that hard work pays off and a good education is the best gift of all."

"Kamal earned a degree in business management while working his way through college in Louisiana. He also earned a law degree from Thomas Cooley Law School in Michigan and an LL.M. in international legal studies at the American University."

"I studied law because of the enormous benefit a legal education provides to those who want to make a difference."

"The only way that we as a people can make a profound difference and improve the quality of life for all Virginians is if all of us make a difference individually." Kamal firmly believes in the principle of public service. Upon completing his education in 1997, he became the Legal Director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC), a human and civil rights organization where he worked on behalf of the poor, the disadvantaged and others who needed help managing their affairs."

"My work at ADC enabled me to learn the issues from a hands-on- point of view. I worked on numerous cases involving abused children and spouses; arrests without charges, and the firing and non-hiring of older citizens because of age. These experiences were constant reminders that in our march forward we must leave no one behind"

"Today, Kamal is an independent running as a Republican candidate for the Virginia State Senate. He wants to use his unique life experience and education to serve all of Virginia to make certain that anyone who is willing to work hard is given a fair opportunity to succeed."

"Kamal’s experience should be particularly advantageous in serving Virginia’s immigrant population. He has a personal understanding of what is important to most immigrants. Bringing that insight to Richmond will enhance the lives of all immigrants and all Virginians."

"Kamal Nawash, with the support of his family and thousands of Virginians, is embarking on a journey to make the Virginia of the future full of equality and liberty for all of our citizens."

"Kamal wants to represent all the people and give a voice to those who have never spoken."

"Kamal wants to serve you everyday of the year and not just during election time. And Kamal wants a Virginia that moves forward without leaving anyone behind."

"Kamal is the only candidate in this race who will provide the leadership needed to get things done. Kamal knows that if we want fair share from Richmond, Northern Virginian Republicans and Democrats have to work together."

And what exactly were the aims of this terrorsymp mole?

"Oppose building a professional baseball stadium in Arlington County."

"Kamal will solve our traffic nightmare by expanding Metro Rail to local high density areas such as Columbia Pike, Skyline, Glebe Road, and Seven Corners. Kamal will also create a convenient bus shuttle system that picks people up from within walking distance of their homes and takes them to our existing Metro Stations."

"Kamal wants to protect and provide relief to senior citizens on fixed income from skyrocketing real estate taxes."

"Northern Virginia faces a myriad of important challenges. Challenges like education funding, traffic gridlock, transportation funding, and other important quality of life issues. Kamal will provide the leadership necessary to bring Northern Virginia Republican and Democratic legislators together."

"Kamal will focus on expanding metro transit to existing high density areas such as: Skyline and Bailey’s Crossroads via Columbia Pike, Seven Corners, and Tyson’s Corner."

"Kamal believes that Columbia Pike has turned into a strip-mall, car-based suburban eyesore. Kamal wants to create a walkable community-friendly environment on Columbia Pike. His plan focuses on improved parking policies, cutting taxes for revitalized property and tech firms, and expanding Metro to the Pike."

"Kamal applauds the Commonwealth Transportation Board for its decision to advance a proposal to create special express lanes on the Capital Beltway. HOT lanes, two in each direction, would extend from near the Springfield interchange to north of the Dulles Toll Road. According to the proposal, HOT lanes would be free to carpoolers, buses and emergency vehicles. Large trucks would not be allowed in HOT lanes."

"Affordable home ownership opportunities for all."

"Protect homeowners on fixed incomes from skyrocketing property taxes."

"Kamal wants to make it easier for our senior citizens to teach and volunteer in schools."

"Kamal is proposing a new program that will open computer labs in our schools and community centers for use of our young people."

"Challenging curriculum preparing all students for college."

"Aid to education making class sizes smaller and state universities affordable."

Okay, this guys a politician. But, if he is a terrorsymp, or worse, an Islamist mole sent to destroy our way of life, I bet he's got every militant Islamic from Terre Haute to Timbuktoo helping to get him elected, so I checked his campaign donation disclosures. Funny thing is, I could only find two arabic names on the list, Nawash himself and a guy who I think is his uncle.

His biggest dono to the tune of 100k turns out to be a Republican by the name of Dave Hunt. Seems dave is no stranger to elections himself, having thrown his hat in the ring. Then there's 25k from the Dominion Leadership Trust, a PAC set up to support Republican candidates. There's 20k from the Virginia Conservative Alliance, 25,500 from Virginians for Responsible Government, 20,000 from the Republican Party of Virginia, 20k from "All Children Matter State PAC a conservative PAC and 10k from Committee for a Republican Leadership.

Then there's the donations from known terrorsymp organizations like the Va State Police Assn PAC, the Va Sheriffs Assn PAC, and OH MY GOD, 15k from the NRA Political Victory Fund! NOW I KNOW HE"S A TERRORIST!

A little more digging shows he's received funds from alleged subservise groups like Koch Industries, Bank of America, Coca Cola, Podiatrists of VA, RJ Reynolds, Dupont LandAmerica Financial, American Council of Life Insurance PAC, Citigroup PAC and GE Financial Assurance.

I got an idea. Let's forget all this and HANG GROVER NORQUIST BECAUSE HE HELD A FUNDRAISER FOR THIS GUY.

That ought to do it. No more worries about traitorous Americans opening doors so bad guys in head towels and C-4 can get an audience with the head of intercommunity faith whatever.

My suggestion is, if you're going to fry Grover because he helped this guy, you better get a pan as big as Omaha cause that line looks awfully long.

As I said, I don't know this guy from nothing, I just did what you asked and surfed some. I'm sure you can show a different set of search results, but I think ths demostrates their are two sides to every issue.

512 posted on 12/14/2003 10:26:43 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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