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To: Nick Danger
It's hard to know what to think. You were doing so well with that act until you got a little cocky. And then out came the bile. And so we see the flash of hate, and with it the realization that this really is just a hatchet job.

Given that you've sat at Norquist's table, the officials have ruled "offsetting ad hominems."

And this is necessary, because Frank Gaffney and his dedicated coterie of mysterious and knowledgeable National Security Types are the only people smart enough to protect our poor befuddled President from those bumblers that he surrounds himself with in the White House... who keep letting in The Wrong People because they -- unlike Frank and his friends -- do not understand who the Bad Guys are in the war on terror.

Cool backhanded appeal to authority.

Any of Gaffney's footnoted specifics you'd like to address, yet?

And if it isn't their concern, why should it be ours?

Because the train is leaving the station.

Norquist has had since early February to address concerns about his Islamist associations. The war in Iraq has come and gone since then, but Norquist is still in spin mode.

If, as you appear to assert, this is all about nothing, then why hasn't Norquist dealt with it?

Why are David Horowitz and Hewitt Hewitt (Norquist's Harvard classmate) not vouching for him?

Finally... have you ever seen Khaled Saffuri at Norquist's table?


327 posted on 12/11/2003 10:15:45 PM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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To: Sabertooth; Nick Danger; Trollstomper
And this is necessary, because Frank Gaffney and his dedicated coterie of mysterious and knowledgeable National Security Types are the only people smart enough to protect our poor befuddled President from those bumblers that he surrounds himself with in the White House... who keep letting in The Wrong People because they -- unlike Frank and his friends -- do not understand who the Bad Guys are in the war on terror.
That is damned funny Nick!
It's deja vu all over again!
Do White House Guests Say Something About the President?
IRA and Islamic Terrorists
Despite the Administration's high-profile "war" on international terrorism, the Clinton White House has proved hospitable to representatives of notorious terrorist groups. Gerry Adams, the public spokesman for Sein Fein, the political branch of the murderous Irish Republican Army, has been a frequent guest at the White House.
Representatives of radical Islamic groups have also been rewarded with personal access to the President, Vice President, and First Lady. Terrorism analyst Steven Emerson reported in the November 3rd issue of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that Mr. Clinton invited to the White House "one of the top international terrorists in the world, a terrorist chieftain who has orchestrated mass murder against scores of innocent civilians, including American children" -- namely, Abduraham Alamoudi of the American Muslim Council, who was photographed between President Clinton and Vice President Gore.
Gore was also photographed warmly shaking hands with Nihad Awad, founding head of the Council of American Islamic Relations (CAIR), whom Emerson identified as a radical "who has championed the terrorist mastermind behind the World Trade Center bombing, a plot that was designed to kill 50,000 American people." Another photograph included in Emerson's article showed Mrs. Clinton receiving a Koran from Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR, which Emerson described as "an American branch of a radical Islamic front group."

Thus my interest in the thread and the return of all those familiar names. There is sooooo much more.
The Cartoon was ridiculed and reviled here for such exploits! My, how soon some forget...

328 posted on 12/11/2003 11:22:11 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Sabertooth
the officials have ruled "offsetting ad hominems."

Bullsh*t. This guy came in here acting cool as a cucumber. It was all a policy dipute; serious stuff. Facts. Logic. Coherence. And then he got a little bit smug, and all of a sudden it's "and that b*stard is finally coming down, bwaa ha ha." No, sir, this is not a policy dispute. With those two, it's personal.

Yes. Gaffney's "footnoted specifics" are the most blatant use of BS artistry I've seen in years, and I think you ought to be ashamed of yourself for trying to sell crap like this to your fellow Freepers.

Goodness gracious! How damning! How cunning these Moslems are!

I'm floored. Gaffney has evidence that Saffuri spoke numerous times(!) with Karl Rove(!) about a proposition. Which was that Bush push a few hot buttons popular with Arab-Americans while he was out campaigning. Seriously: we needed footnotes for this? We need to use words like "evidence" and "proposition" to talk about a guy giving political advice on how to win votes by saying a few of the right things? He makes this sound like some kind of criminal activity. We're in on the secrets, now! We have evidence! They were in a car together! Imagine discussing votes with Karl Rove! Who'd have thunk it? Boy, we have the goods on that Norquist character now!

See that? al-Quaeda! Aliases! Terrorist chiefs! Grover Norquist! Booga Booga! If you did not notice that Gaffney had slipped into talking about some White House aide's late father, you are not our new Jeopardy champion. What kind of sleazy trick was that? Footnoted specifics? I've seen better misdirection plays in those tracts that explain how the Jooz rule ze vorld. When I see tricks like that, I know I'm looking at a hatchet job. The "60 Minutes" treatment of the ride in the car to talk about the "proposition" was a clue, but when they drag out the late fathers and booga-booga you with them, it's time to just throw the whole thing in the sh*tcan.

That's not the right question. They don't know any more than we know. The right question is, "Why is Norquist allowed anywhere near the White House?" They do know something we don't. They know what their own anti-terrorism strategy is. And they don't seem to be concerned about this. If they did seem to be concerned about it, I would put more credence in this. I don't claim to know one way or the other. All I know is that the people who are in fact running the National Security apparatus are happily watching this happen, and I don't believe for one minute that that is because they aren't looking. To hear Gaffney tell it, terrorists are just blithely waltzing into the White House because they're all too stupid over at 1600 Pennsylvania to know what's going on, and they need him -- Frank Gaffney -- to warn them about Grover and his creepy friends. I'm sorry, I didn't just fall off a turnip truck, so I don't believe that.

I wouldn't know Khaled Saffuri if I tripped over him. Is that the guy who met not once[1], but twice[2], with Karl Rove[3]? In the Secret Car[4]? To talk about, you know, the proposition[5]? Do you suppose the White House doesn't know who he is? Do you think you should run over and tell them, just in case?

334 posted on 12/12/2003 12:30:09 AM PST by Nick Danger (Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer)
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