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To: Bob J
You write: "The White House has extended abilities to research these people, their opinions and potential connections to unsavory middle east groups. Much more than Norquist.

Norquist may be been mislead and he certainly doesn't have the ability to conduct the extensive background and financial checks that might have uncovered connections to terrorists groups. No one was aware of them until after 911 when the FBI, CIA and other depts of US Gov (particularly Homeland Security) started doing deep investigations."

Well, actually, many people, Pipes, Emerson, the FBI, several congressional committees, etc., were well aware of these groups before 9/11; focus on them intensified after the Africa embassy bombings. Some like AlArian and CAIR and the Benevolence International Foundation had been subect o investigations, court actions, and USAID grant revocations inthe 1990's --all available via the internet.

Having worked in 2 White Houses, I can tell you what everyone in this business knows -- you rely on your outside political friends and groups to make the call about who you will "meet and greet" whether it' sin th White House or on stops around the country. Grover is longtime reliable for Rove and he simply "got the con" to handle the Muslim Account, mostly because he showed up with Saffuri and the money and promisses of votes (in the event the GOP lost all the major Arab/Muslim populations states - CA, NY,NJ, MI.) The White Hosue Public Liaison Office has 13 people, the NSC usually under 100. There is no practical way to deal with 280 million Americans and their groups other than 'contracting out.'

To your other qustion, "Isn't he being singled out as the scapegoat? It seems like FBI, CIA, NSA and others are responsible for national security and they should have stopped the contacts prior to them getting an audience the White House?" No: letting these groups or people (any) into the White House is a politcal call, the Secret Service et al, only tell you if the person on the list has outstanding warrants, has threatened the President, etc. It is not the Secret Service's, CIA's or FBI's job to save the WH from political embarrassment, or the bad judgement of it's virtual contractors.

And actually, re the USSS letting Al Arian in the the WH being "prima facie evidence" that the Fed Gov didn't knwo --read the Al Arian indictment -- the gov't has 27,000 hours of wiretaps on him going back over a decade. Again -- it is only the Secret Service's job to stop guy trying to kill the President -- not the one they know is trying to blow up the rest of us.

And Yes, People are accusing Norquist of knowing the dirty truths about these groups (comes with the territory of representing yourself as their handler and godfather), and of refusing, as he has all his life, to admit mistake. He prefers if he can, to attack the messenger instead. Now his bad calls are increasingly openly linked to terror cases, terror funding, spying, and other convictions and he still just prefers to call Gaffney and anyone else who points this out a "racist and bigot."

Every White House has slip-ps, and so do many intermediaries -- but usually they are very rare. The Carter folks had John Wayne Gacey in a clown suit photo'd with Mrs. Carter, then found out he'd buried a bunch of young boys under his porch. If it was Grover, he'd have Gacey and his clubmates back time and again, and call anyone who mentioned it a "pedophile-aphobe and an bigot. And doubtless some here would then claim that Grover's outstanding record for things like naming huge federal buildings after a President who hated large federal buildings, ought to somehow exonerate this other, um, daft behavior. Go figure.

As I've pointed out elsewhere here, the Arab and Muslim pops already vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, and their main groups have all pledged to do so again this year. And anyway, why would one trade off national security just to get a few thousand votes?


261 posted on 12/11/2003 12:01:19 AM PST by Trollstomper (Trollstomper)
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To: Trollstomper
I have repeatedly stated that any actions Norquist took that allowed these people close to the White House was unfortunate. I do not believe Norquist knowingly allowed people connected to terrorists this access. He may have been naive, he may have been duped, but he is not a traitor, as some have suggested.

Several people have stated that Norquist has not disavowed the Muslims involved. This is not true. On the Hugh Hewitt show just a couple nights ago, he flatly disavowed them and said he was glad they were in jail. He also stated that the degree to which he was responsible for them gaining access has been greatly exaggerated.

I think Norquist failed in a couple areas. He should not have pulled the race card in dealing with his critics. This may have been an emotional response to a situation he was not familiar in dealing with. Second, he should have come out much sooner and disavowed the people and institutions he has associations with that now we know have ties to extremists groups. He needs to promptly address all these issues fairly and honestly and I believe he will do so.

Norquist may need a spanking, but to run him out of town
on a rail would be unfair and hurt the conservative cause.
270 posted on 12/11/2003 5:51:32 AM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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