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To: hchutch
I read it. I do not see any proof of harm to the war effort. I also think you are also being intellectually dishonest. You theorize about POSSIBLE harm due to what happened at Guanatanmo Bay.

Arrests were made, and you call it a theory about "possible harm" to the war effort?

Yeah, that's intellectually honest.

What did Grover Norquist have to do with selecting the translators and chaplains?

You misunderstand.

Norquist's partner, Khaled "Great Patriot" Saffuri, of numerous pro-terror links, was the former deputy of Abdurahman Alamoudi at the American Muslim Council, a pro-terror org.

Almoudi is a 5th Columnist, and with the AMC has successfully infiltrated the Military Chaplain program...

By the end of the 1990s, an AMC spin-off called the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Council and a like-minded organization, the Islamic Society of North America, were responsible for selecting all U.S. Muslim chaplains. 4 One of these appointees - Army Captain Yousef Yee - has lately been in the news. Yee has been removed from his duties ministering to Taliban and al-Qaeda detainees at Guantanamo pending military judicial proceedings for, among other alleged misconduct, mishandling classified material.

For an Islamist-sympathizer like Alamoudi, the opportunity to determine who would minister to Muslims in the U.S. military was an important strategic prize.It built upon a Saudi-sponsored initiative dating back to the time of Operation Desert Storm to convert members of the American armed forces to Wahhabi Sunnism,5 the religious doctrine of the Islamic radicals.It has been reported that Saudi Arabia provided more than 100 such service personnel6 - including Captain Yee7 - with free trips to Mecca to make the hajj. (The nature and implications of these Islamist initiatives are under investigation by the Senate Judiciary Committee's Terrorism Subcommittee, chaired by Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ, and by the Defense Department's Inspector General.)

In the mid-1990s, Alamoudi also had a hand in the recruitment and placement of another 75-100 so-called "Islamic lay leaders" for the U.S. military. According to the Wall Street Journal, he arranged for "an arm of the Saudi government" called the Institute of Islamic and Arabic Sciences to train "soldiers and civilians to provide spiritual guidance when paid Muslim chaplains aren't available." The Journal also reports that there are signs that "the school ...disseminates the intolerant and anti-Western strain of Islam espoused by the [Saudi] kingdom's religious establishment." 8

So, here's the math...

Abdurahman Alamoudi is a 5th Columnist currently under arrest. He has infiltrated the military, and his AMC recruited a Muslim chaplain, Yousef Yee, who is also under arrest.

Abdurahman Alamoudi's former deputy at the AMC, Khaled Saffuri, a terror symp himself who has sponsored the families of homicide bombers through his contributions to the now-banned Holy Land Foundation, is Grover Norquist's partner at the Islamic Institute. Through Norquist, Saffuri has gained access at the highest levels of our government.

This isn't even algebra.


150 posted on 12/09/2003 8:39:01 PM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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To: Sabertooth
Again, I fail to see how those White House meetings or any of Norquist's outreach efforts had anything to do with those arrests at Guantanamo Bay. Nothing at all, except for stretches of the imgaination that I have not seen since Hillary complained about a "vast right-wing conspiracy" or when Gary Sick claimed George H. W. Bush flew an SR-71 to Paris to meet with Iranian officials.

Furthermore, if you wish to connect Norquist to the chaplain/translator scandal, you will have to prove he was AWARE of what they were doing on that front. Right now, we're not talking addition or subtraction, we're talking fuzzy math.
153 posted on 12/09/2003 8:56:54 PM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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