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To: hellinahandcart
I really don't. Do you have any other reference that Simon Barnes is a leftist? He's a sports writer for a conservative paper. If you look back over his archives it's all about sports.

You have to understand where he's coming from: patriotism is not viewed the same way in Europe as it is in the US. Since WWII it is frowned upon by a great many people. English soccer hooligans give patriotism a bad name with their brand of flag waving. I found Barnes' comments quite reasonable in their context. His prose is a little over-flowery but again- he's a sports writer. I don't expect a whole lot more from him.

15 posted on 12/09/2003 1:20:12 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Do you have any other reference that Simon Barnes is a leftist?

Do I need more than his own words?

Since WWII it is frowned upon by a great many people.

Yes, I know. Patriotism is bad. Turns people into Nazis. Never mind the patriotism of those who fought the Nazis; that's irrelevant.

I find it very sad that this seems to be the lesson Europe took from WWII. If it happens again, there may not be sufficient people who care enough to fight.

17 posted on 12/09/2003 1:33:10 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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