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To: NutCrackerBoy
I don't recall the government doing fertility testing when we got our license. Many folks more articulate than I have stated here why you can't restrict marraige on the basis of fertitlity.

I'm not swayed an inch by the tradition argument. Many traditions have been lost because they were contrary to human rights, fell out of favor, or just didn't fit anymore. Of course my favorite is that if the women doesn't prduce a child we can try another woman. I miss the old days. Besides my wife has some beautiful sisters.

221 posted on 12/09/2003 10:20:46 AM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
I don't recall the government doing fertility testing when we got our license.

What are you talking about? Marriage continues to be, as it has been for over a thousand years, defined as a union of one man and one woman. There is no fertility testing involved.

222 posted on 12/09/2003 10:26:33 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: breakem
I'm not swayed an inch by the tradition argument.

In certain instances, justice requires a secular government to eradicate a tradition. For example, the burning of wives upon a man's death was the tradition in India before the British jettisoned it. Beyond those rare instances, government rule should take great care not to disturb the customs of a people. I am surprised you do not believe in this principle. It helps to retain our liberty. Otherwise, governmental authority becomes too powerful when it becomes the sole arbiter of social structures.

Many traditions have been lost because they were contrary to human rights, fell out of favor, or just didn't fit anymore.

Which of these applies to the traditional definition of marriage as a union of one man and one woman?

224 posted on 12/09/2003 10:35:20 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: breakem
I'm not swayed an inch by the tradition argument. Many traditions have been lost because they were contrary to human rights, fell out of favor, or just didn't fit anymore.

In the interests of discussion, can you name one that:

Marriage is not just "a tradition" it is the tradition which underpins society. It teaches people how to sacrifice for the good of the whole, passes on the notions of duty and honor, and gives parents a reason to bring the lessons of the past into the future. Food for thought:

During the slave years, the southernors kept the slaves from becoming powerful enough to fight for their own rights in part by destroying their families.

Once the blacks could form good family institutions they rose quickly to the point where they could demand their civil rights.

The dimocrats didn't like that, so they created "The Great Society" to destroy black families again. Now look where the blacks are (except conservative ones).

Shalom.

240 posted on 12/09/2003 11:19:33 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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