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UN votes 90-8 to ask Hague court for opinion on fence
Ha'aretz ^ | Mon., December 08, 2003 Kislev 13, 5764 | Shlomo Shamir and Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and Agencies

Posted on 12/08/2003 11:42:34 AM PST by Phil V.

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UN votes 90-8 to ask Hague court for opinion on fence

By Shlomo Shamir and Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and Agencies

The United Nations General Assembly approved on Monday a Palestinian-initiated resolution asking the International Court of Justice to issue an advisory opinion on the legal consequences of Israel's construction of the separation fence. Ninety nations voted in favor of the draft, eight opposed and 74 countries abstained.

Israel condemned the resolution. Ra'anan Gissin, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's spokesperson, said, "This is an attempt... to delegitimize the right of the Jewish people to have a Jewish state that they can defend."

Sharon and Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom decided prior to the vote that Israel would cooperate with the international court in the Hague should the resolution pass and that Israel would argue that the decision to build the barrier was based on self-defense.

Sharon and Shalom decided to wait for the outcome of the vote before taking any action, but agreed that Israel would present its position that the barrier is legal and stands up to all standards of judicial scrutiny.

The United States and Israel strongly opposed the resolution, arguing that it would "politicize" the court and undermine efforts to reach a Middle East peace settlement.

Other countries voting against the fence were Micronesia, Australia, Ethiopia, the Pacific islands of Nauru, Marshall Islands and Palau.

Almost all delegations opposed the fence, which juts into the West Bank. But the European Union joined the unusually high number of abstentions, believing that seeking an opinion from the court was legally questionable and would work against a political dialogue.

Meanwhile, Shinui ministers decided Monday to demand at the next cabinet meeting that the government alter the route of the fence, changing it from a "political" fence to a "security" fence, Israel Radio reported. Gissin said Shinui would be permitted to ask the cabinet to re-examine the fence's path.

Justice Minister Yosef (Tommy) Lapid, who heads Shinui, said his plan would leave a greater number of settlements outside the fence than the present route does, Israel Radio reported. "The route that was approved is too long, too expensive, not acceptable to the United States and puts the whole world against us," he said.

Israel insists the fence, which it began building last year, is needed to prevent suicide attacks and says its construction is purely for security.

Arab nations argued that going to the court was the only action available to try to stop construction of the barrier which the Palestinians call a land grab by Israel ahead of possible talks about the borders of a Palestinian state.

Opinion won't be legally binding
Several noted that any opinion would not be legally binding. The Palestinian draft resolution approved by the General Assembly requested "that the International Court of Justice issue an advisory opinion on the legal ramifications arising from the construction of the separation fence by Israel, the occupying force in the occupied Palestinian territories."

Palestinian observer to the UN, Nasser al-Kidwa, started pushing for the
resolution after Secretary-General Kofi Annan issued a November 28 report
declaring that Israel has failed to comply with a General Assembly demand to halt construction of the barrier, which juts into the West Bank.

Al-Kidwa said at the debate Monday that the separation fence destroys all possibility of negotiation, and that Israel must choose between the fence and the U.S.-backed road map, Israel Radio reported. He also said that Israel's "fascist-colonialist occupation" has transformed the Palestinians into a nation of slaves, according to the radio.

Israel's ambassador to the UN Daniel Gillerman said the fence will contribute to negotiations by causing a decrease in the amount of soldiers assigned to the West Bank, Israel Radio reported.

Gillerman also blamed Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat for creating the situation that led Israel to consider it necessary to establish what he called the "Arafat fence."

"This is the fence that Arafat built," said Gillerman. "His terrorism initiated it and made its construction inevitable. If there were no Arafat, there would be no need for a fence."

Foreign Ministry: Fence doesn't violate international law
The Foreign Ministry contends that the construction of the separation barrier does not violate international law, even though its path extends beyond the Green Line, into the West Bank. "Every occupying power has the right to build fortifications and fences in the occupied territory when there is a military need for this," a senior ministry source explains. "When there is terror," he continues, "no one can argue that there is no military need for a fence. It might raise humanitarian problems that need to be solved, but there is no question of legality here."

Despite this confident assessment, Israel is not anxious to submit such political issues before international bodies, which are always suspected of favoring the Arab side and harboring hostility toward Israel's case. In his efforts to block this resolution, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom also warned that transferring the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to international adjudication would eviscerate the road map.

The International Court of Justice in The Hague, established in 1946, serves two roles: adjudicating conflicts between two states that agree to accept its authority, and handing down legal opinions upon request of the UN and other international institutions. The court's rulings have only advisory status; they are not binding upon the groups that request these rulings. In some cases, however, it may be decided in advance to regard the court's ruling as binding.

The court will ask the relevant parties to submit written and oral statements, and then deliberate behind closed doors. The Foreign Ministry says this process would last for at least a year. Meanwhile, the Palestinians would have achieved their goal of embarrassing Israel.

Contrary to some misleading reports published in Israel, the ICJ operates separately from the International Criminal Court (ICC), which was established to judge war crimes. There is no connection between the two international courts - except for the fact that both are located in The Hague.

The UN appoints 15 judges to the ICJ, who each serve a nine-year term. Their mandate is to rule independently, and not represent their particular country. Currently, there are judges from Egypt and Jordan on the ICJ, as well as judges from France, China, Japan, Madagascar, Slovakia, Germany, Sierra Leone, Russian Federation, United Kingdom, Venezuela, Netherlands, Brazil and the United States. The court registrar is from Belgium and his deputy is French.

The court does not have a particularly busy schedule. Since it was founded nearly six decades ago, it has issued just 77 rulings on conflicts between states, plus 24 advisory opinions. It currently has 22 cases in its docket. Some of these cases were brought in the wake of wars in Africa and Yugoslavia. Most of the court's cases deal with territorial disputes (for example, a dispute over territorial waters between Nicaragua and Colombia) and issues of criminal jurisdiction between countries. (Mexico, for example, has appealed to the court in an effort to block the U.S. from carrying out the death penalty against 54 Mexican citizens.)

Israel has little experience with the ICJ. It approached the court in 1957 to pursue a claim against Bulgaria, after an El Al plane was shot down over the Eastern bloc country two years earlier. But the case was dismissed because Bulgaria was not willing to accept the court's authority.




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To: yonif
Other countries voting against the fence were Micronesia, Australia, Ethiopia, the Pacific islands of Nauru, Marshall Islands and Palau.

That's nice.

21 posted on 12/08/2003 12:58:40 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Southack
It only does it when UN offices are bombed - like in Iraq.
22 posted on 12/08/2003 12:59:01 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Phil V.
We really should quit the UN. And kick them out of NY.
23 posted on 12/08/2003 1:07:05 PM PST by samtheman
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24 posted on 12/08/2003 1:11:42 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Phil V.
Still Life:

Puppet with muppet

25 posted on 12/08/2003 1:13:04 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Phil V.
"This is an attempt... to delegitimize the right of the Jewish people to have a Jewish state that they can defend."

Israel should have never signed the Clinton contract to give up land for peace. Once Clinton got Israel to validate a Palistinian state through the Oslo Accords, it was all over for Israels future. They made a pact with the Devil.

26 posted on 12/08/2003 1:16:13 PM PST by concerned about politics ( "Satire". It's Just "Satire.".......So it is.)
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To: Southack
Here are two things:

1. going to the Hague will be bad, because Israel will legitmize it as an institution by making its case. The reason is, that they will try to get Sharon on "war crimes" later on and then they will not be able to say its not a legitimate court.

2. Israel should build a wall around the Hague and send those terrorist Palestinian Arabs there.

27 posted on 12/08/2003 1:20:40 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: yonif
Other countries voting against the fence were Micronesia, Australia, Ethiopia, the Pacific islands of Nauru, Marshall Islands and Palau.

That's nice.

I suspect this is wrong: These sound like the countries that have consistently voted with Israel. I'll bet these are the other countries voting against the resolution.

In fact, I looked back to the Jerusalem post story:

Ninety voted for the motion, eight against, including the United States, Israel, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Uganda and the Pacific islands Naui and Palau. Seventy-four abstained, including the members of the European Union.

28 posted on 12/08/2003 1:40:29 PM PST by maryz
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To: maryz
I would not put Australia in that same boat or Ethiopia. However, Marshall Islands, Nauru and Palau, as well as Micronesia (I don't know why they didn't vote), usually vote with Israel.
29 posted on 12/08/2003 1:42:39 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Phil V.
"This is the fence that Arafat built"


30 posted on 12/08/2003 1:52:46 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: Phil V.
Israel has little experience with the ICJ. It approached the court in 1957 to pursue a claim against Bulgaria, after an El Al plane was shot down over the Eastern bloc country two years earlier. But the case was dismissed because Bulgaria was not willing to accept the court's authority. No brainer. Israel need not play this game.
31 posted on 12/08/2003 2:00:33 PM PST by RobbyS (XP)
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To: Phil V.
I hope they vote it is bad so that Israel can give the Hague the middle finger, and prove the internationalist' irrelevance
32 posted on 12/08/2003 2:02:01 PM PST by Porterville (No communist or french)
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To: Phil V.
Opinions of the u.n.or the hague are NOT RELEVANT!This action is clearly anti-semetic.
33 posted on 12/08/2003 2:14:36 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Mo1
Will some one .. any one tell WHY the UN is still around??

Their goal is to keep spending our money as long as we keep sending it.

34 posted on 12/08/2003 2:35:57 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: maryz
Australia, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Uganda, and the United States are the eight nations that voted against.

If the E.U. had shown a little backbone the vote would have been much closer. The idea that abstaining doesn't change anything is wrong and sends the message that the resolution isn't objectionable, which it clearly is.

The other nation that often votes with Israel is Fiji. I'm surprised to see they abstained. I would have been shocked if Ethiopia voted with Israel. They didn't.
35 posted on 12/08/2003 2:36:25 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: aynrandfreak
Yep, I said something similar the other day.

Why does Israel keep kowtowing to people that hate thier guts?

They need to tell everyone who's agains't em to eat crow.

Then they need to do one of 3 things. 1. Obliterate the palestinian terrorists regardless of civilian arab casualties. 2. Drive em all arabs back to Jordan, including the ones in gaza. 3. Both of the above AND destroy Syria in a massive bombing campaign.

I mean it, who the hell they going to offend? The leftist media here who hate them anyway? The euros who hate them? The arabs who hate them? There's no one left to offend.

Israel is suicidal IMO, they need to bust some chops before IT happens again.
36 posted on 12/08/2003 2:55:20 PM PST by Stopislamnow (Islam-Founded by Evil, and thriving on death. Just like the modern democrats)
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To: Phil V.
Courting Disaster in the New Age of InterNational Judicial Cooperation BumP
37 posted on 12/08/2003 3:08:21 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Gee, I guess I must have missed the vote that the UN took re: condemning pali violence...

You must have been distracted by the flock of pigs flying overhead. It happened the same day.

38 posted on 12/08/2003 3:18:24 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Phil V.
And why not? Going to court to achieve what you can't legally, seems to work well here. Maybe they can get China to tear down the Great Wall, or maybe even that pitiful partial fence we put on our southern border.

To bad they never questioned the Berlin Wall.

39 posted on 12/08/2003 3:46:39 PM PST by itsahoot (The lesser of two evils, is evil still...Alan Keyes)
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