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Live by the whole amendment
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | 12;08/03 | Editorial

Posted on 12/08/2003 4:36:04 AM PST by Holly_P

Advocates of separating church and state frequently - and correctly - recite the first phrase of the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion . . .," to support arguments against state-sponsored activities and expressions of faith. But the second half of that Establishment clause, "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" is less frequently pondered.

It is that "free exercise" language, however, around which entwines the case of Joshua Davey, now before the Supreme Court. The ruling could greatly expand the choices of those being educated with government dollars and, in the process, help erase vestiges of 19th-century anti-Catholic bigotry.

Davey was a bright 1999 high school graduate from Seattle whose academic record, class standing and family circumstances made him eligible for a Washington state Promise Scholarship. But when he said he wanted to invest the fruits of his academic labors to study for the ministry, the state yanked its $1,125 check from his hands.

Washington is one of more than 30 states that prohibit the use of public money for religious instruction. The language in its Constitution mimics that of the anti-Catholic "Blaine amendment," an 1876 attempt to change the U.S. Constitution to skew funding toward Protestant-dominated public education.

That amendment never got out of Congress, but its intent became law in those states before the high court's First and 14th amendment rulings extended federal constitutional protections to the states.

But Davey argued successfully - through the notably liberal Ninth District Court of Appeals, no less - that the scholarship had been awarded to him on the merits of his academic achievements and circumstances. And, once the state had decided to give money to him on such a basis, his plan for a course of study was none of Washington's business.

When they heard the arguments last week, the justices plainly were aware of the impact their ruling will have. "The implications of this case are breathtaking," said Justice Stephen Breyer. Indeed, they are.

But recent rulings, including the court's approval of vouchers to pay for parochial education in Cleveland, appear to have set the course for an affirmative Davey decision.

States need not pay for any higher education, public or private. But if they choose to offer scholarships to individuals attending both classes of institutions, they forfeit the privilege of regulating what the recipients may study.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 1stamendement

1 posted on 12/08/2003 4:36:04 AM PST by Holly_P
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To: Holly_P
It is a nice sounding theory that when you separate the Christian Church from the state, you get stability, but it does not pass the common sense test.

For instance, I know it is the first words out of any atheist mouth when you try to talk with them about Jesus, “Explain the Inquisition," and “Look how evil the church was!" and "Look what they did in the name of Jesus!"

It is true that about 500 years ago, Christian fanatics killed about 10,000 people over a 100 year time period (about 100/year) in the name of the Roman Catholic church. It is a shame on the record of an organization that claims to be promoting the ministry of Christ. Now compare this record to the example of the countries that have officially done away with religion. To the countries that have outright banned religion and imprisoned those who try to practice it (the ultimate test of the theory that the separation of church and state leads to stability).

Yes, I am talking about Communist countries. In the Communist Manifesto, Engel and Marx declared, "Communism abolishes all religion." In my father's lifetime, the numbers of people that officially atheist countries have murdered in the name of no-religion is staggering; the USSR slaughtered 20 million, China slaughtered 10 million, Communist Cambodia slaughtered 2 million, Communist North Korea has/continues to murder untold numbers, Communist Cuba has/continues to murder untold numbers, the list goes on.

The grand total is over 50 million dead in the last 80-year time span (over 600,000/year). Even comparing the worst time of "Christian Persecution" to an average time of a just one country that has officially and forcefully separated church and state, the conclusion is obvious: Christianity has a huge calming influence on government.

2 posted on 12/08/2003 4:37:49 AM PST by 2banana
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To: Holly_P
This Amemdment deals specifically and solely with Congress, and no other American branch of politics, including the Judiciary. It gives Congress a simple and specific mandate, namely, to not create a State religion and to not interfere with the free excercise of religion. PERIOD. All this extraneous intervention, obstruction and prohibition of religous expression by the Judiciary is totally unconstitional.
3 posted on 12/08/2003 5:31:21 AM PST by TheCrusader
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To: 2banana
"It is true that about 500 years ago, Christian fanatics killed about 10,000 people over a 100 year time period (about 100/year) in the name of the Roman Catholic church."

If you're referring to the Spanish Inquisition, the known number of those put to death for "heresy" was probably far less than 10,000 over a 100 year period. These executions were performed by secular Spain, under order of the King and Queen, NOT "in the name of the Roman Catholic Church".

In fact, it was the Catholic Church which introduced a trial by jury and a lawyer for the accused, and who convinced the King and Queen of Spain to nearly abolish torture by limiting it to 20 minutes or less and by banning all forms of torture that caused death or permanent body injury. In fact, when you study the Spanish Inquisition, you will discover that the Popes repeatedly tried to disuade the King of Spain from harsh tactics, but to no avail, and that very often even Catholic priests and bishops were put on trial by the King.

Facts about the Spanish Inquisition have been so warped and distorted by anti-Catholics over the centuries that the truth lies burried under an almost insurmountable pile of revisionist cow dung. Modern history books should remind the reader that the Spanish Inquistion was instituted only after 400 years of conquest and control by Islam, and that when Spain finally threw off the yoke of Islamic oppression they found that many of the enemy had infiltrated the Church and Spanish society as laymen, clerics and heirarchy, and they were in no mood have spies hanging around under the guise of "converts". Ridding themselves of the confusion and dangers of Islamic infiltrators, (and sometimes of the Jews who had fought alongside Islam agaisnt Spain), was the underlying reason for the hunt for "heretics", or false converts. So it is important to know that those put on trial in the Spanish Inquisition were professed Catholics who failed to confess to certain basic tenets of the Christian faith, and the Inquistion trials had no interest in anyone who publicly acknowledged they were not Christians. And all one had to do to exonerate themselves at trial was to confess a belief in the full Christian faith.

We now see today, in America, how dangerous it is for our own society to be so wide open to any and all foreignors, especially those from Islam who hate our Christian faith and seek to destroy our society and culture.

4 posted on 12/08/2003 8:14:22 AM PST by TheCrusader
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To: TheCrusader
I agree with what you have said and hope that one day a balanced view of the Inquisition will be taught in our schools.

There, of course, was the Spanish Inquisition, but also an Inquisition over most of Europe. For example - this "general" Inquisition is the one that found Galileo guilty and sentenced him to lifelong imprisonment (more like house arrest). Exact numbers are impossible to find but from culling much research - 100 people killed a year was very much a good ballpark number.
5 posted on 12/08/2003 8:29:44 AM PST by 2banana
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To: 2banana
"For example - this "general" Inquisition is the one that found Galileo guilty and sentenced him to lifelong imprisonment (more like house arrest)."

Yes, but again there is a huge misrepresentation of the fact with Galileo's case. Because the Church considered his age, Galileo's "sentence" was to remain under house arrest at the Cardinal's mansion, how cruel. Before his trial he was given the opportuntiy to publish his very same theory of heliocentricity, (which he actually 'borrowed' from Copernicus), but within the context of the Christian faith and with the understanding that it was but theory, --which he refused.

But the biggest lie of all from Galileo's case was that the Catholic Church was somehow against science. It seems the anti-Catholics out there forget that Galileo was educated by Catholic scientists, mathematicians and doctors at the University of Pisa.

It's also interesting to note that modern Navigators still use geocentricity, (which the Galileo/Copernicus theory condemned); and even NASA still uses geocentricity in planning their space flights.

6 posted on 12/08/2003 2:38:29 PM PST by TheCrusader
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