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His 15 minutes of fame long gone, Elian celebrates another birthday
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^
| 12/07/03
| Scott Holleran
Posted on 12/07/2003 3:32:47 PM PST by Holly_P
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To: pcx99
Kidnap? Elian was placed with them, and they were doing every thing they could -- by due process -- to honor his Mom's request that he live in freedom.
Due Process was ignored, perverted, run rough-shod over. There was an armed kidnap -- under false warrants! A machine gun pointed at a boy in the closet..
81
posted on
12/07/2003 7:09:34 PM PST
by
bvw
To: sinkspur; pcx99
Well..........Sinkspur. Not surprised to see you on an Elian thread.
pcx99, perhaps you are unaware that Elian's dad, when approached early on by the INS with the offer of a visa to come to the US and retrieve his son, refused. Not once but twice. Castro stepped in and changed Juan's mind.
The rest is history.
Sink knows this but refuses to admit same.
aka.....fleebag
82
posted on
12/07/2003 8:33:58 PM PST
by
BARLF
To: breakem
"Notice, you stand up for the family, father and kid."To do that, you would have had to demand that the father be left alone to go get his kid, free from Fidel's goons, and that Fidel release his family in Cuba, and allow them to freely come here if they so desired.
Tell me, from the looks of this story, who is using Elián as a political tool?
Do you think his father could have told Castro that he would rather NOT have a national celebration for Elián's birthday?
The amazxing thing is that in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you still have some f%*$d up notion that we know what the father wanted in that case.
83
posted on
12/07/2003 8:43:05 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
To: Luis Gonzalez
What amazed, horrified, and facsinated me and Hub at the time was the way the leftists invoked family values in such a cynical way, to justify returning this refugee child to the inhuman Cuban hellhole.
I remember at the time that ADM, an international corporation, was interested in some sugar contracts which Castro held up, on condition of Elian's return. Elian's miraculous survival at sea was a rebuke to Castro, and he wanted the US to return the kid to him or no contracts.
It's my conjecture -- and only conjecture -- that ADM exerted influence on Clinton for Elian's return. A whole bunch of lefties, including the Methodist female head of the American Council of Churches (can't recall her name), got on public television and harped about family values to paint the whole thing over with some sort of justification.
The number of people in this country who were absolutely horrified at the pre-dawn raid and the photos of the genuine jack-booted thug, the reporter who was literally thrown out of the way, and the screaming child thrown into the white van by Commando Betty--these people are countless.
They've not forgotten. They vote. And I'm one of them.
This is one of the very worst of the scandals of the Clinton administration. The defenders of the return of Elian to Cuba are, in my opinion, without defense, themselves.
Father's rights is a rationalization coldly and heartlessly used to cover the coercion of Elian's father in this charade.
After Waco, we should not have been shocked, but it is a very black mark on Clinton's soul, and it left a permanent bruise on my heart.
84
posted on
12/07/2003 9:05:57 PM PST
by
Judith Anne
(Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
To: Holly_P
Bill Clinton and Janet Reno will burn in HELL for all of eternity for what they did to this child.
Regards,
85
posted on
12/08/2003 4:24:09 AM PST
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
To: pcx99
Remember that it was Elian's father who called Lazaro Gonzalez on the telephone to tell him Elian and his mother were on their way.
When it fell apart he had to cooperate with Castro's goons.
Regards,
86
posted on
12/08/2003 4:26:22 AM PST
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
To: pcx99
Apparently, this is what you like to see as the future of the U.S.:
To: Zack Nguyen
I also haven't forgotten. The midnight warrant. Remembering seeing unarmed Americans sprayed like cockroaches makes me ill to this day. All of this while negotiations were still going on. We haven't seen the effects of that yet, where a government negotiators word doesn't mean squat in future situations. People will get killed on both sides, thanks to Reno and Clinton.
88
posted on
12/08/2003 4:53:05 AM PST
by
Hillarys Gate Cult
(Proud member of the right wing extremist Neanderthals.)
To: pcx99
Police? Hell, those were armed Federal Agents shoving their guns in that 5 year-olds face. And if it can happen to a little 5 year old it can happen to you, my friend.
To: AnnaZ; Luis Gonzalez; Jimmy Valentine; pcx99
Sorry, "pcx99", but the whole incident still, to put it mildly, sickens me.
Absolutely, AnnaZ, that's the Elian affair in a word: sickening.
pcx99, you might wish to play a while in the FR archives from the time. I'm not interested in re-living it, but neither do I want to forget it.
Elian's "fifteen minutes"? Hell no. Elian's monument lies in the hearts of those who yet hurt for him, and who yet cringe over what was done to him.
--------
JV, nice to see ya, you old thief. How's the Bro? I'll be away, and can't make the DC Chapter party. Please say hello to folks for me, if you're there.
Luis, was in Miami a few weeks ago, and I thought of Elian and all you good folk who fought so hard for him.
90
posted on
12/08/2003 6:40:06 AM PST
by
nicollo
To: BARLF
It's "fleabag," dirtbag.
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posted on
12/08/2003 6:41:24 AM PST
by
sinkspur
(Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
To: TheSpottedOwl
It should be noted that Elian's family in the US was from the paternal branch.
To: exit82
That's was the most disgusting raw use of power I have ever seen in my life other than Waco. And it is no coincidence that both events took place under the watchful eye of Janet Reno and Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Amen.
And that folks still defend it...
(((shudder!)))
93
posted on
12/08/2003 10:37:40 AM PST
by
AnnaZ
(::: RADIOFR :: Hi-Fi FReepin' 24/7 ::: http://www.theotherradionetwork.com/pgs/rfr_schedule.htm :::)
To: pcx99
The moment he set foot on US soil he had the full force of the historical rights of parents the US has always granted. Except, of course, for the right of asylum -- Clinton assured Castro that if Elian's father came here, he would not be allowed to seek asylu. (I read somewhere that he tried to several times, but was turned down.)
94
posted on
12/08/2003 10:47:50 AM PST
by
maryz
To: Holly_P
On April 22, 2000, President Clinton, backed by the public and by each branch of government -- executive, judicial, legislative -- The writer rights for a lefty newspaper and supported Clinton. So he just assumes we all think the same as the intellectually superior left.
To: AnnaZ
That photo just rips my heart.
96
posted on
12/08/2003 11:48:15 AM PST
by
scan58
To: nicollo; Luis Gonzalez
Elian's "fifteen minutes"? Hell no. Elian's monument lies in the hearts of those who yet hurt for him, and who yet cringe over what was done to him. How wonderfully you express that.
Count me among those who will never forget. I continue to pray for the day that Elian can return to the US ... or, better yet, live in a free Cuba.
97
posted on
12/08/2003 12:07:54 PM PST
by
kayak
(The Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy is truly Vast! [JohnHuang2])
To: pcx99
When the boy's father wanted his son back When the boy's father's dictator demanded that he demand his son back.... There are no parental rights in Cuba except for Papa Fidel Castro.
Parental rights are for FREE PEOPLE, not for subjects under a communist dictator.
To: pcx99
Freedom is where you can make your own mistakes, and within reason, raise your child as you wish without the interference of the miami cuban community or the US government. And you think he has the freedom to make his own mistakes with Fidel Castro???
99
posted on
12/08/2003 12:27:17 PM PST
by
Mo1
(House Work, If you do it right , will kill you!)
To: MitchellC
Does effectively living your life at the point of a gun constitute abuse in your opinion?Nah, that's 'just politics.' </sarcasm>
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posted on
12/08/2003 12:38:53 PM PST
by
Petronski
(Living life in a minor key.)
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