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Combat casualty count doubted
Tallahasse Democrat Online ^ | 12-6-03 | Patrick Peterson

Posted on 12/07/2003 8:53:06 AM PST by LibertySailor

Combat casualty count doubted

By Patrick Peterson KNIGHT RIDDER TRIBUNE

GULFPORT, Miss. - An influential Mississippi congressman has raised the possibility that the Pentagon has undercounted combat casualties in Iraq after he learned that five members of the Mississippi National Guard who were injured Sept. 12 by a booby trap in Iraq were denied Purple Heart medals.

The guardsmen were wounded by an artillery shell that detonated as their convoy passed the tree in which it was hidden, but their injuries were classified as "noncombat," according to Rep. Gene Taylor, D-Miss. Taylor, a senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, learned of the classification when he visited the most seriously injured of the guardsmen, Spc. Carl Sampson, 35, at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington.

"How could no one have caught this?" Taylor said.

On Nov. 20, shortly after visiting Sampson, Taylor brought the matter to the attention of Gen. Richard B. Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Purple Hearts quickly were awarded.

But Taylor said the incident raised concerns that Iraq combat casualties had been understated. He said Myers told him he'd been made aware of similar oversights.

"I'm probably going to send a memo out to the rest of the members of Congress and ask if anyone has had a similar incident," Taylor said Friday. "I just don't want to see anyone else who's been injured get cheated about their Purple Heart."

Defense Department statistics show that as of Thursday, some 2,150 service members had been wounded in action in Iraq, while 354 were injured in nonhostile incidents. Of 441 service members who have died in Iraq, 304 are listed as killed in hostile action; 137 deaths resulted from nonhostile action.

A Pentagon spokesman said the decision to award the Purple Heart was made at a unit level and that he couldn't explain how the misclassification occurred.

Members of the Mississippi National Guard were mystified. "Sampson should have already been awarded a Purple Heart," said Lt. Col. Tim Powell, a spokesman for the Guard. "An improvised explosive device built and placed with the intent to harm American soldiers is hostile."

Sampson, who sustained shrapnel wounds to his face and arms, is now hospitalized in Tampa.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Michigan; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: carlsampson; casualties; dod; genetaylor; iraq; medals; nationalguard; purpleheart; wia
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1 posted on 12/07/2003 8:53:06 AM PST by LibertySailor
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To: LibertySailor; dead; yonif; Yehuda; dennisw
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2 posted on 12/07/2003 8:53:40 AM PST by LibertySailor
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To: LibertySailor; Conservababe; cyborg; Dan from Michigan; BlackVeil
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3 posted on 12/07/2003 8:54:13 AM PST by LibertySailor
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To: LibertySailor; m1-lightning; FITZ; Ragtime Cowgirl
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4 posted on 12/07/2003 8:54:43 AM PST by LibertySailor
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To: LibertySailor
Sounds like a clerical error. If memory serves, any injury in a combat zone which requires a doctor's medical attention qualifies for the medal.

Records processing may have simply not recognized the location as a combat zone. I truely doubt anything sinister here.
5 posted on 12/07/2003 9:01:58 AM PST by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: taxcontrol
Wounds must be a result of "EA" or enemy action in order to qualify for a Purple Heart.

The treating doctor must certify that the wound received was in fact due to enemy action as well.

L

6 posted on 12/07/2003 9:05:50 AM PST by Lurker (Some people say you shouldn't kick a man when he's down. I say there's no better time to do it.)
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To: LibertySailor
thanks for the PING
7 posted on 12/07/2003 9:09:40 AM PST by cyborg (right wing wacko-american)
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To: Lurker
This article seems to have a bent
8 posted on 12/07/2003 9:12:41 AM PST by LibertySailor
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To: LibertySailor
And the author should 'get bent'.
9 posted on 12/07/2003 9:14:46 AM PST by DefCon
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To: Coop; TomB; Prodigal Son
CowboySailor alert.
10 posted on 12/07/2003 9:16:12 AM PST by dighton
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To: LibertySailor
The mere fact that it is being reported in the Tallahassee Democrat calls the veracity of the story and reporter into question.
11 posted on 12/07/2003 9:19:40 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: taxcontrol
Actually, the injury has to take place while in contact with enemy forces. If you slip off a ladder and break your leg, the difference between a purple heart and a pat on the back is whether or not you were under enemy fire at the time.

You can also be awarded a purple heart outside of a combat zone, so long as it was during an incident with terrorists or otherwise hostile forces.

12 posted on 12/07/2003 9:24:32 AM PST by Steel Wolf (Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son)
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To: LibertySailor
A lower level clerical error that will be blown WAY out of proportion by the hate-mongering socialist allies of Osama and Saddam. I'm sure they're all writing their sound-bites right now, about how we need multiple congressional investigations and independant inquiries to discover the "real" numbers, blah, blah, blah. Hopefully this won't turn into anything more than an ignored rant by Gore (who?) and a cocked eyebrow by that over-medicated Rather guy. The wire reporter should be flogged for his title.
13 posted on 12/07/2003 9:24:48 AM PST by thatdewd
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To: LibertySailor
Another politician ('rat, of course) stirring the pot and flapping his gums. This was my final post on the thread from last night:

hopefully there aren't a bunch more soldiers in the same situation.

Well if there are, I sincerely hope that despite their injuries, they have more to look forward to than brooding over a medal. I'm not saying that bits of metal and ribbon aren't important, because symbolically, they are... more to some than others. If they are deserving of an award based on their service, they are entitled to it, with our thanks. If they have been slighted in an oversight, then they should get an apology as well. I would think that everyone concerned would approach this matter as mature and respectful adults, but someone took it upon themselves to ensure that is no longer possible in this case.

FWIW, I'd have nothing but praise for this congressman if he'd have followed up on a constituent's question and kept his (or someone's) big, fat mouth shut. If it's a screwup, find it out; if it's a cover-up, find it out. But he (or a staffer) didn't do that. And now, someone has provided another shovel full of vague accusations for the media to throw against the wall, complete with pious editorializing about another conspiracy. And that SUCKS!

Herbert McBride wrote about receiving his last paperwork from the British Consul some years after his service in WWI had ended:

"The whole business was clean-cut and simple- and human. It might have been handled through the mail. A packet of forms, in quadruplicate, initialed here and there by uniformed clerks, locating, identifying and disposing of one McBride, an item of cast off war material, would have served the ends of some organizations. But the genius of common sense in the British War Office was humanely dissolving the bonds which makes armies. You can't put them on paper. it is a universal understanding between men and I accepted the two medals as mere formal tokens of this, possessing a meaning exactly matching my understanding of it."

The soldiers should be dealing with soldiers, because a politician or a newspaper is seldom of any benefit except to politicians and newspapers

14 posted on 12/07/2003 9:25:02 AM PST by niteowl77 (If you haven't prayed for our troops, please start; if you stopped, then do some catching up.)
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To: LibertySailor
This article, by the way, is nonsense. All injuries that are treated are reported. Not all injuries warrent a Purple Heart. This is not 'underreporting casualties'.
15 posted on 12/07/2003 9:26:26 AM PST by Steel Wolf (Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son)
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To: Steel Wolf
This article, by the way, is nonsense. All injuries that are treated are reported. Not all injuries warrant a Purple Heart. This is not 'underreporting casualties'.

Bingo! My son had to have a laceration closed that didn't warrant a Purple Heart. The injury was reported but it was an accident. This is no different than a jumping accident he had during peacetime training, it was reported and does reflect in statistics of every day injuries related to job function.

16 posted on 12/07/2003 9:32:45 AM PST by armymarinemom (I Rocked the Cradle of Death from Above)
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To: All
LibertySailor, formerly known as PatrioticCowboy, has been tossed overboard.
17 posted on 12/07/2003 9:33:05 AM PST by I Am Not A Mod
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To: Steel Wolf
A former associate of mine dove into a trench in Nam and cut his head on commo wire. They gave him a purple heart. To me that is like taking cover and hitting your head against a table. I couldn't accept an award for that.
18 posted on 12/07/2003 9:35:42 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary 2004 Its in the works for sure, just watch! She is the best they can do.)
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To: dighton
Not only that, but it's a repost.

(I know, 2 different papers, 2 different titles.)

19 posted on 12/07/2003 9:37:13 AM PST by TomB
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To: I Am Not A Mod; dighton; Coop; Prodigal Son; ArneFufkin; boxerblues
LibertySailor, formerly known as PatrioticCowboy, has been tossed overboard.

It's about time. ;-)

OK guys. The first one to ID him next time gets a cookie.

20 posted on 12/07/2003 9:42:05 AM PST by TomB
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