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To: elfman2
I’ve found that unsupportable attacks out of left field like that usually say more about the accuser than the accused. Simply because one’s stand is not based in theology", does not mean that he “stands for nothing”.

All I was making was a general observation that people in modern societies that don't believe in a higher power of some form tend not to believe in anything. Animists, Wiccans and polytheists are not atheists, even some environmentalists ascribe the planet itself a form of higher power. Even agnostics admit that they simply don't know.

Atheists, real atheists, are, in my limited experience, neither happy nor fulfilled people.

Without theology or spirituality, you're basically left with some human or scientifically oriented philosophy to fill the void. It could be communism, or technology, or UFOs. It could be avoidance of the question.

Either way, it's not my business. People are free to believe in or not believe in whatever they like, and that suits me just fine. In fact, I think intellectual freedom is a great strength. Everyone chooses their own path, I'm just pointing out that some paths are happier and more fulfilling to lead than others.

32 posted on 12/07/2003 2:31:02 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son)
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To: Steel Wolf
”Without theology or spirituality, you're basically left with some human or scientifically oriented philosophy to fill the void. It could be communism, or technology, or UFOs. It could be avoidance of the question.

I think I understand your experience with atheist, even though as an atheist, I’ve met very few others that I know of. At least I understand the stereotype.

By far I have more in common with Christians that the stereotypical atheist. That’s just the nature of Objecitivism. Its recognition of an objective reality is like your recognition of God, unbending to what we’d like it to be for our immediate advantage. We’re nothing like the stereotype that you’re aware of.

I know that Objectivists are a small minority. I’d guess around a tenth of a percent of the population, but probably a “whopping” one or two percent have been highly influenced by it. A Readers Digest poll placed Atlas Shrugged (an Objectivist novel) as the second most influential book in the US behind the Bible.

You sound like a thoughtful guy, but you may be over generalizing :

Objectivism offers you a heroic vision of human greatness. It appeals to and encourages a radiant feeling of well-being in oneself and goodwill towards life, and a fervent craving for beauty and grandeur. As an Objectivist you develop a passion for life-affirming art, inspiring literature and music that reaches the depths of your soul. Life-affirming art is revitalizing. It restores your capacity for benevolence and your passion for life. By appreciating art that celebrates life, you rejuvenate your inner commitment to your own life.
You may call that human oriented, but it’s not without purpose.
43 posted on 12/07/2003 7:52:00 PM PST by elfman2
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