Posted on 12/06/2003 11:30:12 AM PST by Capt. Tom
I believe we have 5 important political groups involved in today’s Presidential politics and not just the two usual suspects called the Democrats and Republicans.
These 5 major groups are Democrats, Bushies, Republicans, Socialists and Clintonistas.
You can only get to the Presidency through the Republican and Democrat parties and no other way. The other 3 parties the Socialists, Clintonistas and Bushies have infiltrated these two established parties to get elected. They have obviously been successful in doing this.
If you intend to rise to the Presidency there are only two ladders. The Democrat ladder and the Republican ladder. So if you are neither a democrat nor republican and have a different agenda you have to pass yourself off as one or the other. This is a very common practice in the House and Senate. Trying the Ross Perot approach of building your own ladder to the Presidency is expensive and futile. You have to use an established national machine, and there are only two.
Let’s look at the so-called Democrats, and Socialists first. The Socialists started to infiltrate and take over the Democrat party in the mid 1960s, and today the so-called Democrat party is the Socialist party. The Democrat party today is not the party of John Breau, Zell Miller or Harry Truman. This Democrat party is for communists, socialists, America haters and sexual deviants. People who could never get elected without a 'D' or 'R' after their name. This is the party of Michael Moore, Barney Frank and Barbara Streisand. And unfortunately it still has the confused remnants of the Democrat party; many of who are good hard working Americans who love this country, who would defend it with their lives and want it to be successful. They don’t seem to realize their party has been hi-jacked by the Socialists. The option of voting Republican for many democrats is too revolting to consider. It takes a long time to get the message.
The Republican Party in my opinion is correctly stereotyped as ignoring labor and being pro big business. (You don’t get a job from a poor person) Some of the right wing Democrats (like me) have left the anti- American socialists, and now vote Republican because the Republicans are perceived as being pro- American, and pro family. The same values many democrats hold. It’s a hard thing to do: to vote for the “lesser of two evils” or as some say “the evil of two lessers.” And besides there is no longer a democrat party.
If only the Republicans weren’t so stupid and politically inept, and would stand up to the Socialists who are ruining our country. The good news for the gutless inept Republicans is the Clinton haters, the pro Bushies and ex-democrats (like myself) have been united against the Socialists and Clintonistas because of their anti- Americanism and shenanigans. The Republicans are presently in charge of the House, Senate and Governorships - no thanks to the political acumen of the Republicans. The Bushies have the Presidency.
The Bushies didn’t repeat Ross Perots very expensive mistake. They used the Republican Party ladder to get to the top. Actually fooling Republicans isn’t very difficult.
The Bushies push their agenda, which leaves the Republicans confused. For example: Some Republicans are totally bewildered by Bush’s not securing our border with Mexico, and allowing thousands of illegals to cross every day. And the President making stupid statements like “Islam is a religion of peace” or ‘’we worship the same God.’’ A major example is the Bushies incredible socialistic Medicare spending bill just passed, that robs the young to pay for the olds medical bills. Well if you think the Bushies are Republicans you are bound to be confused.
The last politically important group is the Clintonistas. They came up the Democrat (socialist) ladder, and hi-jacked the party at the Presidential level. The Clintonistas will do anything to stay in power. They bewilder the socialists (Democrats) by signing welfare reform bills and being pro death penalty. Then amazingly they use the Socialist party apparatus to stay in power. I.e. Terry McAuliffe.
The Clintonistas stay on the presidential political stage to the detriment of the socialist candidates; who can’t get any attention, and are now described as the 9 dwarfs.
Its one thing to battle your own party candidates for the nomination; it is quite another to also have to battle the influence of the Clintonistas who have infiltrated your party and rose to the top level-and seem to want to stay there. Howard Dean, if he gets the socialist nomination might dent the control the Clintonistas have at the DNC.
The Bushies defend this country and kill our enemies. They don't kow tow to the UN. That’s good.
So in this presidential election cycle of 2004, it’s the Bushies vs. the Socialists with the Democrats,Republicans and Clintonistas looking on.
I hope the Bushies get re-elected in 2004. If they do I hope they can field a candidate like Jeb Bush, Condolezza Rice etc for 2008. If the Bushies are out of the picture I am afraid in 2008 it will be the politically inept Republicans vs. the Clintonistas. And we know how that works out.
Meanwhile, if only we can get the Bushies to secure our border with Mexico, stop outspending the Socialists on domestic programs, and stop making asinine religious statements; then the Bushies would be a political party both democrats and republicans could support. The remaining active parties the Socialists and Clintonistas would die on the vine. - - Tom
Socialists have been around as long as republicans and democrats. What I meant was the socialists really started in earnest to zero in, and subvert the democrat party in the mid 60s. No doubt the socialists were around long before.
The Socialists couldn't get elected to anything of consequence with an 'S" behind their name. They needed a 'D" or 'R' behind their names.(And yes I know about Bernie Sanders from VT.)
The Democrat party was an easier target than the Republican Party. "Vote for me I'll get you someone elses money" has more appeal to more voters there, than in the Republican party. "Vote for me I'll let you keep the money you have" is what appeals to Republicans. -Tom
I've decided to revive the Constitutional Union Party.
My slogan will be "If it was good enough for Lincoln, it's good enough for me".
You'll never live to see that day because 90% of Americans do see a difference between the parties.
If you could list these actions, I'd appreciate it.
Keep on ranting Joe, it's your trademark.
That's what I thought. Thanks for your insight.
A question, Joe. What would your actions be. It is easy to be a complainer, but a lot harder to be a doer.
Come on Joe, let it out. Tell people on FR your solution.
I thought I covered that in my original post.
"So if you are neither a democrat nor republican and have a different agenda you have to pass yourself off as one or the other. This is a very common practice in the House and Senate"
I am referring to the 5 groups that are real players at the Presidential level.
In other countries, you join a political party, pay your dues, become active or not. Or, like most people, you don't join any party at all but you can still vote for party candidates during general elections. However you don't get to choose the candidates, however they are chosen, and certainly the government does not pay for intra-party primary elections as it does here for some absurd reasons. I have heard of cases in other countries where party leaders would kick out of the party some parlamentary deputies who didn't toe the line. They'll stay in the Parlament until the next election, but get no party support of any kind from there on. In Paradise on the other hand, I'm told that somebody like Zell Miller is in the same political party as some illiterate black communist from Houston, and that this is how things oughta be. Oh, well...
Fascist? Damn!
I don't know much about him except he seems to be like Jim Jeffords. So far to the left he can easily become a democrat or independent.
It is hard to classify people exactly. My post is about the two ladders to the Presidency via the democrat(socialist) and republican party. If you have a different agenda and run for President in any other party you will lose.
If Saadam Hussein was eligible to run for President ,he knows he would get a lot more votes as a republican or democrat than running as a Baathist. -Tom
What sre you ? ...90...
No, only four inches.
I am serious about the parties. The Rebublicans can't get elected with out a good showing from the conservitives (Fiscal and social) about 37% of the base, on a national level, these are the never a rat voters. Each of these groups have their own agenda with some overlap, if they stay home the Pubbies loose.
The Rats need the socialists and the Greens, the big fight is over the Road Kill in the middle, if that Commie Dean wins the nomination look for the swing to the center, happens every time. Country Club types are Rats of another color.
You got that right.
As an individual if you decide to run for office you pick the party closest to your agenda and ideas. If it happens to be any party other than the democrt or republican and you are running at large in a broad constituency, you will have more success as an establisment party candidate. Thats an individual thing.
But socialism is like a religious movement. They needed to get massive amounts of candidates elected to push the socialist agenda. So incrementally they took over the democrat party. -tom
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.