WE have five political parties, not two

self | Sat. Dec. 6, 2003 | Capt. Tom

[Capt. Tom]

Your time frame is off by about 20-25 years. Do a little research on Henry Wallace Vice president 1941-45 or read Ann Coulters book: Treason.

Socialists have been around as long as republicans and democrats. What I meant was the socialists really started in earnest to zero in, and subvert the democrat party in the mid 60s. No doubt the socialists were around long before.

The Socialists couldn't get elected to anything of consequence with an 'S" behind their name. They needed a 'D" or 'R' behind their names.(And yes I know about Bernie Sanders from VT.)

The Democrat party was an easier target than the Republican Party. "Vote for me I'll get you someone elses money" has more appeal to more voters there, than in the Republican party. "Vote for me I'll let you keep the money you have" is what appeals to Republicans. -Tom

[TonyInOhio]

There are all kinds of choices out there for just about every political point of view.

I've decided to revive the Constitutional Union Party.

My slogan will be "If it was good enough for Lincoln, it's good enough for me".

[Little Bill]

Actually there are seven, Fiscial Conservitives, Social Conservitives, Country Club Republicans, Independants ( Road Kill) Liberals, Socalists, Greens (Commies).

[Dog Gone]

And the differences between the two are for the most part, inconsequential. One day, when enough people get fed up, there will be another.

You'll never live to see that day because 90% of Americans do see a difference between the parties.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Just curious, what major actions has Bush taken that Clinton didn't, to stop the millions of people that continue to pour into our country, people that are choking off our system, creating nationwide fraud, chaos, straining our social services to the breaking point. And to compound this crisis, it is now a national security threat in more ways than one.

If you could list these actions, I'd appreciate it.

Keep on ranting Joe, it's your trademark.

That's what I thought. Thanks for your insight.

[Dane]

If you could list these actions, I'd appreciate it

A question, Joe. What would your actions be. It is easy to be a complainer, but a lot harder to be a doer.

Come on Joe, let it out. Tell people on FR your solution.

[Cicero]

Well, for one thing, he hasn't yet passed any legislation to give an amnesty to these people. He's talked about it, but he hasn't done it. Clinton worked 24/7 supporting left wing groups who gave these people citizenship. Clinton gave citizenship to tens of thousands of illegals in California right before the 1996 election and swept under the rug the fact that these new citizens all had felony records.

No, Bush hasn't clamped down as we might like, but he hasn't actively HELPED to corrupt the system the way clinton did.

[Capt. Tom]

I notice that you avoid the term RINO. GWB is not a full conservative, but neither is he a RINO. He is far to the right of Susan Collins, Olympia Snow, and Lincoln Chaffee, not to speak of Jim Jeffords.

I thought I covered that in my original post.

"So if you are neither a democrat nor republican and have a different agenda you have to pass yourself off as one or the other. This is a very common practice in the House and Senate"

[Capt. Tom]

Hi Bill -Are you snowed in? Actually there are seven, Fiscial Conservitives, Social Conservitives, Country Club Republicans, Independants ( Road Kill) Liberals, Socalists, Greens (Commies).

I am referring to the 5 groups that are real players at the Presidential level.

[Revolting cat!]

True, but it doesn't really matter. A far right winger could very well find home in the RAT Party, and a few far left winger have found home in the PUB Party. No one is going to kick them out of the party. That's not how it works in this country. What we have are loose associations, mutual admiration societies, based on some vague ideas which are mostly stereotypes. The RAT Party is for the people and the PUB Party is for business. As long as the voters remain complacent and happy with the overall political status quo, and comfortable with their deeply held stereotypes and shallowly held convictions, the status quo remains. Too bad, too sad.

In other countries, you join a political party, pay your dues, become active or not. Or, like most people, you don't join any party at all but you can still vote for party candidates during general elections. However you don't get to choose the candidates, however they are chosen, and certainly the government does not pay for intra-party primary elections as it does here for some absurd reasons. I have heard of cases in other countries where party leaders would kick out of the party some parlamentary deputies who didn't toe the line. They'll stay in the Parlament until the next election, but get no party support of any kind from there on. In Paradise on the other hand, I'm told that somebody like Zell Miller is in the same political party as some illiterate black communist from Houston, and that this is how things oughta be. Oh, well...

[AM2000]

Jack Grimes (United Fascist Union-Delaware)

Fascist? Damn!

[Capt. Tom]

What party is Lincoln Chaffee in, according to your system?

I don't know much about him except he seems to be like Jim Jeffords. So far to the left he can easily become a democrat or independent.

It is hard to classify people exactly. My post is about the two ladders to the Presidency via the democrat(socialist) and republican party. If you have a different agenda and run for President in any other party you will lose.

If Saadam Hussein was eligible to run for President ,he knows he would get a lot more votes as a republican or democrat than running as a Baathist. -Tom

[Cobra64]

You forgot the Clinton pardons for 124 FALN members just before he left office when his Bitch-wife was running for the NY Senate seat.

[Elliott Jackalope]

Oh, sure, there are "all kinds of choices" in our political system. However, only RepubliCrats actually win. Sure, you can vote for one of the other candidates. They'll never, ever win an election, but you can vote for them.

Oh yeah, we have LOTS of choice in our political system. Yep, we sure do.

[nickcarraway]

Well, Husseinmay have a consituency if he ran as a Democrat, but he has to overxome a big lead by Dean.

[hosepipe]

The democrat party has been socialist for 80+ years...

What sre you ? ...90...

[Little Bill]

Are you snowed in?

No, only four inches.

I am serious about the parties. The Rebublicans can't get elected with out a good showing from the conservitives (Fiscal and social) about 37% of the base, on a national level, these are the never a rat voters. Each of these groups have their own agenda with some overlap, if they stay home the Pubbies loose.

The Rats need the socialists and the Greens, the big fight is over the Road Kill in the middle, if that Commie Dean wins the nomination look for the swing to the center, happens every time. Country Club types are Rats of another color.

[Capt. Tom]

The main reason that third, fourth, fifth, etc. parties don't get off the ground is because loyalists of the major parties rightly fear that supporting a splinter party will only ensure that the candidate and party they loathe gain control.

You got that right.

As an individual if you decide to run for office you pick the party closest to your agenda and ideas. If it happens to be any party other than the democrt or republican and you are running at large in a broad constituency, you will have more success as an establisment party candidate. Thats an individual thing.

But socialism is like a religious movement. They needed to get massive amounts of candidates elected to push the socialist agenda. So incrementally they took over the democrat party. -tom

[jagrmeister]

I agree with Bush that Islam is a "religion of peace". Just as I don't stigmatize Christians every time an abortion doctor is shot, nor do I wish to stigmatize a population of 1 billion people when Islamic militants carry out terrorism. The real issue are the people who have hijacked Islam to acquire power and carry out violent acts in its name. We gain nothing by bashing Islam.

[DannyTN]

I was wondering why he left out the libertarians, but then I realized that they are too stoned to vote, so they aren't much of a political force.