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To: Alamo-Girl
The theological significance of there being a beginning (whether universe or multiverse, young or old) is evidently understood by some scientists who, not willing to humble themselves before the obvious, torture their own theories for the purpose of denying God as Creator ...

In my {always humble) opinion, you may have put an unintended spin on Hawking when you quoted him saying this:

Although the laws of science seemed to predict the universe had a beginning, they also seemed to predict that they could not determine how the universe would have begun. This was obviously very unsatisfactory. So there were a number of attempts to get round the conclusion, that there was a singularity of infinite density in the past...
I take that to mean that it's "unsatisfactory" to have a problem with no solution. So they strive for further understanding. That's how science reacts to any problem. It's not necessary to assume a theological -- or rather, anti-theological -- intent on such curiosity.
248 posted on 12/17/2003 7:26:27 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: PatrickHenry; Alamo-Girl
I take that to mean that it's "unsatisfactory" to have a problem with no solution. So they strive for further understanding.

LOL, Patrick, you so funny! "Strive for further understanding," indeed!!! Sometimes I think it's more the reverse idea: Strive to run away from the seemingly obvious because it's "unacceptable." :^)

It seems like Hawking is trying to avoid all the "easy" answers to how the Universe got a beginning, and is torturing himself with the "hard" answers -- such that it came into existence in imaginary time, in some way we do not understand. Indeed; how could we understand it, if all this occurs in imaginary time?

How is an imaginary time to be understood?

Just ask yourself this: Where do the laws of the Universe come from? How do you explain that?

250 posted on 12/17/2003 8:02:28 AM PST by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: PatrickHenry; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; js1138
It's not necessary to assume a theological -- or rather, anti-theological -- intent on such curiosity.

And who wrote the law that says that knowledge gained by one discipline cannot inform us when we seek to understand knowledge gained by another discipline?

Whoever that is, I'd hate to see his or her driving record.

Back to work, Merry Christmastime.

251 posted on 12/17/2003 8:05:56 AM PST by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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