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Curiosity leads man on trip to Baghdad (Barf)
Arizona Republic ^ | 12/06/03 | Chris Fiscus

Posted on 12/06/2003 6:37:33 AM PST by Holly_P

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:22:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Last week, his biggest concern was fixing his pool pump. This week he stood atop a roof in Baghdad, talking to The Republic by cellphone.

East Valley restaurateur Mike Lopercio is part of a human rights group delegation to Iraq, grabbing a firsthand look at life after the war. He has serious concerns about the lack of progress with reconstruction and is stunned with the differences between the Iraq seen on the television news and the Iraq he sees by walking the streets.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: iraq; lefties
This guy was in Baghad at the same time that Sean Penn was. The average IQ for that city must have dropped by 50 points when that happened.
1 posted on 12/06/2003 6:37:34 AM PST by Holly_P
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To: Holly_P
He has serious concerns about the lack of progress with reconstruction

Maybe if the jihadist nutcases would stop blowing things up, it would proceed faster.

2 posted on 12/06/2003 6:42:34 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Holly_P
Sounds like Mike is more that just a "concerned citizen":

Common Dream Progressive Newswire

Just look at the contact info in the news release and who he went with:

    Family members of U.S. military personnel currently in Iraq include:

    * MICHAEL McPHEARSON, http://www.occupationwatch.org

    McPhearson, who has a son in the military, said: "Both George Bush and Hillary Clinton have a hidden agenda. They are both using their trips to Iraq to better position their political parties in the upcoming elections. The only agenda of our delegation is to uncover the truth."

Mickey, you are judged by the company you keep.

3 posted on 12/06/2003 6:45:14 AM PST by TomB
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To: Holly_P
And here is what Global Exchange has to say about the liberation of Iraq:

    During the last year, millions of Americans—joined by millions of other people from countries around the world—created an extraordinary movement to try to stop the invasion of Iraq. More than 400 cities and towns across the United States held peace marches in the months leading up to the war. One hundred and sixty-four city governments, including Los Angeles, New York and Chicago, passed resolutions opposing an unprovoked war. And on February 15, humanity witnessed the single largest day of coordinated protest in world history when some 10 million people across the planet went out into the streets to protest against an attack on Iraq. The peace movement opposed an invasion of Iraq for many reasons. Iraq did not pose a clear and present danger to the United States. An invasion without United Nations approval would shatter international law and shred the U.S.'s relations with other nations. A war would lead to chaos in Iraq and kill thousands of innocent civilians.

    Today, with the phantom weapons of mass destruction undiscovered and Iraq sinking into anarchy, it is clear that the peace movement was all-too right.

    The Iraqi military clearly did not have the means to deploy chemical or biological weapons, or even the ability to defend its own capital, much less the strength to attack the U.S. or its neighbors. American military planners were scandalously unprepared to deal with governing Iraq. U.S. relations with the rest of the world remain unsteady. This was an unjust and unnecessary war, one that needlessly took the lives of thousands of innocent people.

    Global Exchange is now working to end the U.S. occupation of Iraq while helping the Iraqi people achieve their aspirations of creating a democratic country. We are urging the U.S. to hand over the administration of Iraq. And we have set up an Occupation Watch Center in Baghdad to monitor the behaviors of the U.S. military and U.S. corporations in Iraq.

    The peace movement remains on the move.

Leaving aside the usual pablum, notice the insane inconsistency in this statement. They opposed the "illegal invasion" of Iraq, but, well, now that the people are free, we want to help.
4 posted on 12/06/2003 6:54:11 AM PST by TomB
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To: Holly_P
Sounds like he landed in South Philadelphia.......
5 posted on 12/06/2003 6:54:50 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: Holly_P
Where were all these so-called human rights groups before the fall of Sadam? Why aren't they looking into the human right violations in say North Korea or Saudi Arabia?

All of them remind me of the little terriers and similar small dogs people have in their homes when visitors come over. They bark and growl and raise a commotion as long as it is clear that they aren't in danger. You swing your arm at them and they run away. These protestors are the same way. Its safe to "bark" about what the U.S. does or doesn't do, but no complaints against real human rights violators (it isn't safe for them).

6 posted on 12/06/2003 6:55:20 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Sic Semper Tyrannus)
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To: Holly_P
Maybe he and some of his friends could be human shields for our troops while in Iraq.
7 posted on 12/06/2003 6:57:09 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Holly_P
Postwar Iraq is the two hospitals he visited that didn't have any drugs, or the schools that don't have lights or heat. Some neighborhoods have trash and sewage in the street. Cars line up for blocks waiting for gas.

That's still better than what was going on during Saddam's rule when everyone was worrying about being thrown in jail for no reason without trial and tortured or killed. Iraqis might not be rich but at least now they have the most important thing of all, freedom. Economic recovery is something that takes a decade. It hasn't even been a year yet and everyone's already complaining.

8 posted on 12/06/2003 7:00:40 AM PST by Seselj
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To: Seselj
And yet this week MSNBC's Dr. Bob Arnott did a story about an Iraqi man inside a store that sold all kinds of US goods. The man he was interviewing was estatic because Saddam was gone, and more importantly, that, after all these years, he had choices and he could make choices.
9 posted on 12/06/2003 7:06:20 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Holly_P
Interesting point from the article:

Mike's wife, Cindy, meanwhile, is in the Valley worrying about both her husband and her son, Tony, who is a petroleum specialist with the Army on his second rotation into Iraq

Apparently Tony is a lot more convinced of the good he is doing than is his father.

And here is what Tony told his father when he found out he was coming to Iraq:

    "He just found out today that I'm coming," Lopercio said in an interview Friday. "He was really shocked. He said, 'You are going to be blown away by how unusual, strange and foreign this culture is.' "
Doesn't sound a whole lot like what Mike is telling us.
10 posted on 12/06/2003 7:10:00 AM PST by TomB
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To: Holly_P
From the Story: He said many residents feel they were promised a better way of life once Saddam Hussein's regime fell, but that hasn't materialized.

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NO!!!! They were promised something called FREEDOM which is the right to PERSUE a better life for THEMSELVES. Of course it won't just MATERIALIZE!!!! You have to make an effort to do it for YOURSELVES.

That's a big problem all over the world. So many people are waiting for someone else to make their lives better. NO Government, even ours is going to MAKE things better for them. Governments do nothing but get in the way and destroy freedom. What do they want, the troops to pick up the garbage off their streets, while snipers fire at them???

Like you said in another of your comments here, the people need to tell their nutcase neighbors to stop blowing things up and start building things up and they'd have a better life ALREADY. If 10 or 15 Million Iraqis were to say to these nutcases, "Enough is Enough" all this crap would stop. There are only a few thousand causing all the problems.
11 posted on 12/06/2003 7:11:04 AM PST by gooleyman
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To: Catspaw
Note how Mike was telling us how bad the Iraqis thought it was and how bad we were, but couldn't produce a single Iraqi to tell us that.
12 posted on 12/06/2003 7:11:59 AM PST by TomB
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To: gooleyman; Holly_P; RogueIsland
Like you said in another of your comments here...

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OOPS it was RogueIsland who correctly said that the nutcases should stop blowing things up.
13 posted on 12/06/2003 7:17:42 AM PST by gooleyman
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To: Holly_P
Whenever I read a story like this, I'm reminded of this thread:

New Math
14 posted on 12/06/2003 7:45:51 AM PST by gooleyman
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To: Holly_P; snopercod; joanie-f; brityank; TPartyType; tangofox; Covenantor
In all the article, here is the story:
Postwar Iraq is the two hospitals he visited that didn't have any drugs, or the schools that don't have lights or heat. Some neighborhoods have trash and sewage in the street. Cars line up for blocks waiting for gas. All the while, Iraqi frustration is high.

He said many residents feel they were promised a better way of life once Saddam Hussein's regime fell, but that hasn't materialized.

"They're just totally frustrated. They really feel like they were conned. That's what we're hearing over and over," he said. "People are PO'd. They're so grateful that we got rid of Saddam . . . but we've bungled it so badly since the war itself.

"I don't want to be painted as an anti-war activist," he said. "I'm just a guy who wanted to learn more about what's happening. . . . If I can add some perspective and illumination for people who have sons and daughters and husbands and wives over here, then that would be a great thing.

"There's more to the story than shootings and explosions," he said. "It's the evolution and the redevelopment."

Agree or disagree with the politics of the author and the man acting in the capacity of small-time investigative reporter, there are these things to fix, and we can do that:

Two hospitals need drugs (and presumably some repairs).

Some schools that are in need of repair.

Trash that must be collected.

Sewage that must be helped along its way to sewage treatment plants.

Gasoline for transportation.

If I were in the middle of all that, I'd be real frustrated too, and I would not wait around for some bureaucrat to come to me with a plan.

No.

I'd go find "the suit" and give him or her "What for!" Read 'em the Riot Act. Collar some news hound and drag them to these sites and demand that something be done about getting my neighbors and me the means that we require to get things working again.

It just so happens, that for such purposes, the ground commanders have learned on their own, that they need help with this and these problems --- but they are not yet getting enough of it from the Bush Administration.

The White House is constantly reminding us that the ground commanders are not asking for more troops (except a few).

Well, what the ground commanders are asking for, is the help they need with the above problems.

They are not getting it, or they are not getting enough of it, or "it" is somewhere lost in the mass of mal-Administration --- all of which, is President Bush's responsibility.

I would bet that he thinks that the job is getting done, which points to the problem that he has, wherein the flow of information is being controlled, yet that is by his own choosing, of his management style.

My belief is that letters and other mail to him, will convince him to step into his chain of command, all along it, to light a fire under the butts that are lagging in self-interest.

Such is my complaint, and my Christmas wish with which to help our troops and us achieve victory.

 

See: The Current Military Situation in Iraq - report on observations in the area of the 4th ID's activities

 

15 posted on 12/06/2003 9:14:12 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: Holly_P
Lopercio leaves Iraq tonight and will head to Washington, D.C., to brief officials on his observations before returning home.

What a pretentious pantload! The only Washington official this guy is going to "debrief" is probably the customs agent when he lands.

16 posted on 12/06/2003 9:37:32 AM PST by Oatka
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To: Catspaw
he had choices and he could make choices.

Sometimes having choices can be shock-inducing for people who have never had them. I think the Russians went through a lot of it, and there are plenty of cultures who would be overwhelmed if transported to an American Supermarket. It takes a while.

Personally, the less the "International Community" approves of us the better I like it.
17 posted on 12/06/2003 9:46:20 AM PST by johnb838 (Mr Bush, build *us* a wall...)
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