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(California State)Senate Rejects Governor Schwarzenegger's Budget Plan
BakersFieldChannel ^ | DEc. 5, 2003 | BakersFieldChannel

Posted on 12/05/2003 10:27:22 PM PST by FairOpinion

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- The state Senate has turned down Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's budget package. That leaves little possibility for a last-minute agreement as the clock ticks toward Friday's midnight deadline to put measures on the March ballot.

Senators vote 34-0 against the governor's plan to cap spending, with even Republicans voting no after the outcome became clear. The governor's bond measure also lost.

At the same time, counter proposals from Democrats failed to get the two-thirds majorities needed for passage.

Senate Republican leader Jim Brulte of Rancho Cucamonga is warning that Republicans will try to put an even tougher spending limit on the November ballot if the negotiations fail to produce a March ballot agreement.

Schwarzenegger wants voters to consider his idea for borrowing up to $15 billion to wipe out the state's existing deficit.

He also wants the Legislature to place a spending cap on the spring ballot.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; catrans; schwarzenegger
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To: FairOpinion
What's wrong with the Republicans?! Senators voted UNANIMOUSLY against Arnold's plan to cap spending!!!!!!! Time to clean house in the CA Legislature -- in BOTH parties!!!!!!

My understanding is the Arnold's cap is full of loopholes. The Republican Senators want a iron-clad cap that the Democrats cannot circumvent in the future. :)

81 posted on 12/06/2003 9:59:22 AM PST by John123 (The Governator is gonna clear a lot of the deadwood in Sacramento!)
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To: FairOpinion
If this measure doesn't get on the March ballot, CA will be OUT OF MONEY IN JUNE!

I thought CA was already out of money? I prefer the state shut down all non-critical services until this budget crisis is resolved properly. NO NEW STATE TAXES!

82 posted on 12/06/2003 10:02:58 AM PST by John123 (The Governator is gonna clear a lot of the deadwood in Sacramento!)
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To: Hildy
I don't understand...He's just REFINANCING THE EXISTING DEBT. What is so bad about that?

Yes, but that would open the door for funding future budget shortfalls. Which really means every year because the Democrats cannot resist spending.

83 posted on 12/06/2003 10:06:31 AM PST by John123 (The Governator is gonna clear a lot of the deadwood in Sacramento!)
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To: FairOpinion
Two counterproposals from Democrats were approved and are expected to be considered on the Assembly floor.

Sure why not? The real question is; Do the Democrats have the votes to pass these proposals? No, they do not.

84 posted on 12/06/2003 10:09:21 AM PST by John123 (The Governator is gonna clear a lot of the deadwood in Sacramento!)
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To: Hildy
With Pete Wilson, et. al. on his team I don't think he's facing any surprises.
My guess: He's gotta axe several thousand state slackers that were recently hired.
Before Christmas ? NOT !
The big cuts will happen after 1/1/04
The public will acknowledge his sincerity/compassion in this current round....leaving him free for massive blood letting by mid next year.
His budget babe already found $3.8 bil in potential cuts -only weeks after checking the books.
I bet she finds plenty more...w/ a few more months on the job.
Plus, we've got Reps like McClintock & Haynes that can help her in uncovering specific waste/pork targets.
85 posted on 12/06/2003 10:12:04 AM PST by AlBondigas
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To: Sabertooth
They're bluffing, and I'm calling.

Absolutely! Our Republican Senators drew a line in the sand and said, "No more."

86 posted on 12/06/2003 10:17:56 AM PST by John123 (The Governator is gonna clear a lot of the deadwood in Sacramento!)
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To: AlBondigas
Finally, a voice of reason. I just can't believe these - our only Savior is Tom McClintock - people who think that only TM could save California. To me, TM is the politician..a second rate one at that. Politicians needs to work with everyone to get what they want done. Arnold knows that and has won every step of the way. To answer someone's question...what would I call Schwartzenegger if not a politician? I don't know...what do you call someone who gets to the top of everything he puts his mind to? I think the word is "Incredible."
87 posted on 12/06/2003 10:20:51 AM PST by Hildy
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To: AlBondigas
By the way, he's already stated he's going to cut the State workers, but that Wilson set it up so he'd have to do it around the Holidays. He said in his first press conference that nobody would lose their job around the holidays. But after the New Year the axe is coming.
88 posted on 12/06/2003 10:22:09 AM PST by Hildy
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To: CurlyDave
Some assets - maybe.
We've gotta avoid privatization fiascos like on SR91 'tween Orange & Riverside counties.

How 'bout merging the Board of Equilization w/ the Franchise Tax Board ?.
Excess (qualified) employees could be turned loose on insurance/health care/education/welfare cheats/frauds.
That's just for starters.

89 posted on 12/06/2003 10:27:12 AM PST by AlBondigas
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To: CurlyDave
And, while we're talking cuts/elimination of waste:
How 'bout FREEPER suggestions for specifics

I recommend no full scholarships to state college/universities for freshmen/sophs w/ under 1200 on the SAT.
Let the under prepared/slow to memorize prove their potential in the junior colleges.
They're lower cost & that's why they were created.
Do well there & the public will pay for your last 2 years..& by that time you may have changed your major from Women's/Hispanic Studies to something more saleable in the workplace.

90 posted on 12/06/2003 10:54:52 AM PST by AlBondigas
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To: Hildy
And, while we're at it,
No admission of frosh/sophs to state college/univ - scoring under 1000 on SAT.

Basic math/English skills would be achieved in J.C.

91 posted on 12/06/2003 11:22:50 AM PST by AlBondigas
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To: FairOpinion
FairOpinion said: "CA has short term bonds due in June, which they can't pay, since this bond measure didn't pass. I guess CA will either go bankrupt in June, or Arnold raises taxes, or the Federal government bails CA out -- in any of these cases the Republicans can kiss CA goodbye for the next 30 years, which make the Dems, and I guess people, like you who really want to see the Dems in charge, very happy."

I don't understand.

First, you refer to "short term bonds". Are these bonds or short term debt. What limits are there on the amounts of such debt and what are the terms. Who can authorize such debts? Why would they have to be paid off in June? Why not just roll them over into yet more such debts?

As for the Republicans being responsible for the coming default of Kalifornia, I don't think that it will be the Kalifornia conservatives who are blamed. I think that most of us would cut programs in this state so deeply that the jobless people who have migrated to San Francisco would borrow money to leave the state.

Finally, what model of federal bailout do you envision? Would this be just an outright grant of billions of dollars? How many billions? Would it enable reckless spending into the future? Why would Bush support this? He didn't carry Kalifornia in 2000 and probably won't in 2004.

The behavior of our state government is completely compatible with bankruptcy. That is what happens to people who spend more than they make and who borrow what they cannot repay. There is nothing unjust about bankruptcy proceedings for such people. These proceedings require that the courts take over management of the assets of the bankrupt, distribute the assets in accordance with law, and provide the bankrupt with a clean slate.

In the case of Kalifornia, the "clean slate" would leave them with creditors who would never lend to the state again, thus solving the deficit financing problem. Voters, having successfully required super-majorities for new taxes and bond issues, could rest easy knowing that the state will not spend more than they take in.

92 posted on 12/06/2003 4:52:03 PM PST by William Tell
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