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"No. You could stand next to Johnny and watch him throw 50 yard passes all day long. But do you contend that all of God's powers and knowledge are observable or knowable to a human being?"

ANSWER: Yes, as Romans states, man is without excuse. Just look outside at His creation, our at the intricacys of the eyeball that allows you to see His creation.

"If God is infinite in knowledge and power and humans are finite in those respects, then how does a human "logically affirm" the identity of God? He cannot experience the totality of God without essentially becoming one with God. Therefore, how can you "logically affirm" that the God that you know is indeed, THE GOD, and not some deceptive entity playing tricks on you? Is this not where the leap of Faith comes into play? You can certainly affirm the existence of God, but can you truly do it "logically", in a formal sense of the word "logic"?"

ANSWER: Good question. Jesus was either 1. Lord 2. Liar or 3. a Lunatic. It is not God's nature to be a deceptive entity as He is without sin, as the inspired Word of God states. Lunatics can't raise themselves from the dead, so that leaves Lord. Believing is certainly faith, but I would not say a leap. Christians are indwelled by God's Holy Spirit. This is the closest I can say compares to your "becoming one with God" comment.

"You said in the original post: "We say, 'there is a God, and we know Him personally.' If we know Him, we can logically say He exists." You may very well indeed know the almighty God of the Bible personally, I can certainly respect your experience and and accept your position as a completely valid cosmology. Perhaps I am reading more into your phrase "we can logically say He exists" that I should, but that was the point I was questioning you about. I see that phrase as implying that your position is logically superior to the atheist's because it is logically provable. I don't see that being the case. Both positions require an assertion of faith at some point."

ANSWER: No, I was merely pointing out that Atheism defies the rules of logic, that is assuming a universal negative as it relates to God's existence. There is no such flaw in one who says there is a god:

1. There is a god.
2. In order to know this, I must be all knowing.
3. Since I am all knowing, I am god.

While the conclusion is wrong, I am no god, you can see it is logically consistent.

"You qualify the position as "not illogical on its face", which implies that at some point it demands a departure from the realm of logic, then you say it is "not illogical". Either the statement that "There is a God' is wholly provable by logic, or it is formally "illogical", no? That doesn't mean that it isn't true, it just means that it is no more provable via logic than the atheist's position."

ANSWER: SEE ABOVE.

"These things still require you to make an assertion of faith that these things were indeed caused by an infinite and almighty God and not some other being that has the ability to control the realm which humans observe. Let me just say that I would also make that same assertion of faith if I believed that the stories of the Bible were wholly true. But I do not. But then again I have not read the books you suggested, so maybe I will change my mind. Thank you for recommending them."

Please do read these books. More than a Carpenter is a real short read, less than two hours. "Evidence" is pretty heavy, but you seem the intellectual type that would enjoy such a book.