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To: wizardoz
1) I think you are misunderstanding my point. We have a level of faith that our eyes accurately report our scientific measurements. We have faith our brains accurately synthesize the info from those measuring devices. I am not talking about mirages here.

2) I'm sorry, but infinite is beyond any understanding. To us it will seem like a huge number, but being infinite we cannot truly even think about it. If you truly believe you can understand, think about--whatever the word-- about infinite then you are either crazy or the Creator. I mean this as a throwback jest, not an insult.

3) Sure. From what I've read, this "law" is basically explaining the limits of our measurement of the universe. It states we cannot measure something that is not in the universe; we cannot measure something metaphysical. Therefore, it is beyond our comprehension. If you truly have faith in this philosophical idea, then you cannot then imagine (or whatever word you want) infinite. But if you believe this in addition to believing you can imagine infinite, then that is cognitive dissonance (agreeing with something but not following it).

Anyways, these are really minor points in the larger debate. If you have any questions about Christianity or the probability of a Creator I would love to answer them :)
399 posted on 12/07/2003 8:36:03 PM PST by Loc123
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To: Loc123
1) I think you are misunderstanding my point. We have a level of faith that our eyes accurately report our scientific measurements. We have faith our brains accurately synthesize the info from those measuring devices. I am not talking about mirages here.

No, we do not have faith. I had to take a whole class on how archaeology labs can misinterpret data and how it should be double checked and triple checked, run through computer programs, re-analyzed... my point is, in science there is NOTHING that you are required to take on faith.

2) I'm sorry, but infinite is beyond any understanding. To us it will seem like a huge number, but being infinite we cannot truly even think about it. If you truly believe you can understand, think about--whatever the word-- about infinite then you are either crazy or the Creator. I mean this as a throwback jest, not an insult.

I disagree, we have a concept of what infinite means. But I no longer remember the point of this particular line of debate, to be honest.

3) Sure. From what I've read, this "law" is basically explaining the limits of our measurement of the universe. It states we cannot measure something that is not in the universe; we cannot measure something metaphysical. Therefore, it is beyond our comprehension.

If we are still talking about the Law of Identity, no. It simply means that for something to have an identity, there has to be something that is "not part of it" otherwise you are just saying "God is everything," and "everything is God." This is essentially meaningless. Is this what you're doing/saying?

412 posted on 12/08/2003 7:04:34 AM PST by wizardoz
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