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Unfinished Pearl Harbour Business
AIM Report ^ | December 4, 2003 | Notra Trulock, Associate Editor

Posted on 12/05/2003 9:31:56 AM PST by Tucson_AZ

This coming Sunday marks the 62nd anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. [Yet] the attack on Pearl Harbor remains surrounded in controversy and mythology.

...there is another controversy that should have been put to rest long ago. That concerns history’s judgment of Admiral Husband E. Kimmel, Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Fleet at the time of the Japanese attack. The Roberts Commission, formed in December 1941 to investigate the tragedy, pronounced Kimmel "derelict in his duty" and "solely responsible for the success of the Japanese attack." Although ten subsequent official investigations or inquiries would exonerate Kimmel, the verdict of the Roberts Commission would continue to dog him throughout his life.

But two years later, he would learn that the Navy Department in Washington had withheld information from him vital to the defense of Pearl. Over the years, as archives yielded ever more records from the period, the case against Kimmel was effectively demolished.

The [Bush] administration has continued to stonewall the family by claiming that "no new evidence has emerged to consider overturning decisions made more than 50 years." That position defies logic and ignores the mountains of "new evidence" uncovered by historians like Professor Gannon. The action [to restore Admiral Kimmel's good name] has been repeatedly endorsed by the likes of the VFW, the Retired Officers Association, and others. Most significantly, the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association endorsed the action more than 15 years ago. Isn’t it time that this miscarriage of justice be rectified?

(Excerpt) Read more at aim.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: anniversary; notratrulock; pearlharbour; robertscommission
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Why does the Bush administration stand by a proven falsehood and not properly take care of this simple matter?
1 posted on 12/05/2003 9:32:07 AM PST by Tucson_AZ
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To: Tucson_AZ; jamaksin; Congressman Billybob
Why does the government still stand by the Warren Commission Report? The Roberts Commission was the forerunner of the Warren Commission in more ways than one. Adm. William Standley, a member of the Roberts Commission, called chairman Supreme Court Justice Owen Roberts (the "switch in time") "as crooked as a snake."
2 posted on 12/05/2003 9:36:29 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Tucson_AZ
I caught a 1 hour documentary last night on KCSM out of San Fran called Prange and Pearl Harbor - The Magnificent Obsession.

It presented a fairly unbiased (imo, at least) story of what happened. I don't believe any one person was solely responsible for the "sneak" attack of December 7th.

Enough warning signs were either overlooked, ignored or just flat-out responded to with flat feet instead of with diligence and immediate action.

Just as FDR & the State Dep't and DoD should get blamed for their somewhat conflicted and confusing courses of action, so to should the commanders in the field be held accountable as well for perhaps not being "better prepared".

Certainly General Short shouldn't have lined up all the aircraft under his command in rows.

Why didn't a detected and sunk Japanese submarine closeby the fleet not make alarm bells go off all over? Why weren't torpedo nets closed immediately?

Why did radar reports of aircraft spotted get passed off as "friendlies" even tho they were coming from a different detection than whence the masses of planes were approaching?

History is written by the winners. Unfortunately, there were no winners that day or in the days leading up to it.

3 posted on 12/05/2003 9:58:05 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge
Infamy Revisited: Another Look at Pearl Harbor.
4 posted on 12/05/2003 10:08:57 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Tucson_AZ; IncPen
Is this the Notra Trulock who gained so much notariety as the whistle blowere at the Energy Dept during the We Ho Lee kerfluffle ?
5 posted on 12/05/2003 10:52:06 AM PST by BartMan1
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To: NormsRevenge; aristeides
An interesting posting - thank you.

I'd suggest, however, noting a few things about Prange.

Yes, agreed - truly a "Magnificent Obsession." But Prange had a very clear relationship with DugOut Doug (akin to Clausen's fawning because MacArthur was a high degree Mason), and Prange's texts (please note published after Prange's death) have many known and acknowledged factual errors (e.g., the lack of the Brigg's interview in At Dawn We Slept).

The true oddity here however is that even today a myriad of Pearl Harbor documents - say, just as one example, the raw intercepts of the Japanese operational naval coded signals - are beyond public inspection. Why is that?

Imagine, compare the mass of German ENIGMA materials in the public domain and nothing for the Japanese ... [Or the 25 missing pages from the Roberts Commission, or ...]

Very curious that.

From the USS ARIZONA Memorial:

... shall ne'er go by,

From this day to the ending of the world.

But we in it shall be remembered ...

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;

For he that today sheds his blood for me

Shall be my brother.

May they rest in peace and in God's good grace.

6 posted on 12/05/2003 12:18:20 PM PST by jamaksin
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To: jamaksin
KING HENRY V, Act 4, Scene 3
Gloucester: Where is the King?
Bedford: The King himself is rode to view their battle.
Westmoreland: Of fighting men, they have full three-score thousand.
Exeter: There’s five to one; besides, they all are fresh.
Salisbury: God’s arm strike with us! ‘Tis a fearful odds.
Westmoreland: O that we now had here but one ten thousand of those men in England that do no work to-day!

King Henry V: What’s he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin:
If we are mark’d to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men the greater share of honour.
God’s will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold;
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires;
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England:
God’s peace! I would not lose so great an honour,
As one man more, methinks, would share from me,
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, throughout my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man’s company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is called the Feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam’d,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbors,
And say, To-morrow is Saint Crispian:
Then he will strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say, These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he’ll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names,
Familiar in their mouths as household words –-
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester -–
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember’d:
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother, be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap while any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day!

7 posted on 12/05/2003 12:21:51 PM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: BlueLancer
Yes, ... as in the English "long bows" at Agincourt.
8 posted on 12/05/2003 12:28:59 PM PST by jamaksin
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To: jamaksin
Thanks for your comments.

Gordon Prange lived in occupied Japan for a few years after the war and had more than ample opportunity to interview many if not most of the surviving key players in the planning and execution of the attack.

The book was complete, for the most part, at the time of Gordon's death and was finished by a small group of folks that knew him for many years before and after the war.

Douglas MacArthur, while not perfect, was the curmudgeon and genius that more than most saw fit to speak and act as he saw fit, and damn the political consequences. I won't begrudge him for his Mason connection.

9 posted on 12/05/2003 4:03:58 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge; jamaksin
After the failure to preserve his air force and stop the Japanese landings in the Philippines just after Pearl Harbor, a debacle arguably even greater than the one at Pearl Harbor, Douglas MacArthur deserved to be made a scapegoat at least as much as Kimmel and Short did. (I suspect he was spared because, in doing all this, he was following secret orders from Washington.)
10 posted on 12/05/2003 5:18:12 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
It would be interesting indeed we could see those orders transmittals if they exist. Good point.
11 posted on 12/05/2003 6:05:24 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge; aristeides
Thank you very much for your additional comments.

Regarding DugOut Doug and his Mason status ... Clausen and not Prange make that point explicitly. But, then, as Wohlstetter has: "... These addidavits taken by Clausen are notoriously unreliable, ..." [See Pearl Harbor: Warning and Decision, Roberta Wohlstetter, Stanford University Press, Stanford, California, 1962, page 35, note 68.]

On Prange and his "intensive interrogations" - a quick scan of And I Was There, Edwin T. Layton, et. al., "Author's Notes" beginning on page 495 might offer another perspective. For example, on page 503 is found:

"This was a distortion of the facts as they had been made available to Prange. But it was also evident to Layton that in spite of Prange's claims the 'my scholarship and credibility are unimpeachable,' that At Dawn We Slept took no account of new documentation from General Marshall's declassified files, ..."

One of Layton's co-authors - Pineau - also interviewed many of the Japanese naval surviving principals ... and offers a much different view than that of Prange.

In closing, the curious thing here remains the amount of Pearl Harbor materials still beyond public inspection.

Thank you again.

12 posted on 12/06/2003 6:27:48 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: jamaksin
compare the mass of German ENIGMA materials in the public domain and nothing for the Japanese ...

Probably owned by Sony, don't want to mess with their lawyers... ;-)

13 posted on 12/06/2003 6:35:45 AM PST by StriperSniper (The "mainstream" media is a left bank oxbow lake.)
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To: Tucson_AZ
Why does the Bush administration stand by a proven falsehood and not properly take care of this simple matter?

Government’s loath admitting to a mistake unless there is a political advantage to the admission. The People must be made believe in the infallibility of their betters.
If the political party in power could place blame on the opposing party we might learn the truth about Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy assassination and possibly the even the UFO coverup.

14 posted on 12/06/2003 6:36:21 AM PST by R. Scott
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To: BartMan1
Is this the Notra Trulock who gained so much notariety as the whistle blowere at the Energy Dept during the We Ho Lee kerfluffle ?

As distinctive as that name is, I'd be amazed if it weren't the same person.

How many people have you ever known named 'Notra'? And who also happened to have a last name of 'Trulock'? I can't imagine that it wouldn't be the same person.

15 posted on 12/06/2003 6:38:42 AM PST by Bob
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To: NormsRevenge
Certainly General Short shouldn't have lined up all the aircraft under his command in rows.

Why didn't a detected and sunk Japanese submarine closeby the fleet not make alarm bells go off all over? Why weren't torpedo nets closed immediately?

Why did radar reports of aircraft spotted get passed off as "friendlies" even tho they were coming from a different detection than whence the masses of planes were approaching?


Couple of points in response:

Short's intelligence led him to the conclusion that the biggest threat to his aircraft was possible fifth-column sabotage. The aircraft were clustered together to make them easier to guard.

The main submarine defenses of Pearl Harbor (those in the harbor channel) were in place and in use. iirc, the minisub that the USS Ward sank was attempting to trail another (US) ship up the channel while the nets were open. No one thought of the need to put torpedo nets inside the harbor (like along Battleship Row) because the US didn't know that the IJN had come up with a solution to using torpedoes in shallow water. To borrow from Don Rumsfeld, the IJN's shallow-water wood torp fins were an "Unknown Unknown" - we didn't know about them, therefore couldn't prepare for their use.

The misidentification of the radar returns from the inbound first strike was, by all means, a major failure. But it can be attributed to a chain of command that was ill-informed of the uses and ability of radar.
16 posted on 12/06/2003 6:42:55 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Tucson_AZ
Why does the Bush administration stand by a proven falsehood and not properly take care of this simple matter?

Perhaps they, like the other 11 administrations since 1941, just feel they have more important things to do?

17 posted on 12/06/2003 6:50:05 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: R. Scott
Government’s loath admitting to a mistake unless there is a political advantage to the admission. The People must be made believe in the infallibility of their betters.

More to the point, an admitted and documented deception by the US government in the not-so-distant past would cause the people to look with cynicism on present-day government pronouncements

Starting at the point where Hitler invaded Russia, FDR was trying very hard to get us into the war. Few people are told that in the summer before Pearl, US pilots were flying combat missions against the Japanese ("volunteers" on loan to Chang Kai Sheck's Chinese Nationalist Army -- look up the "Flying Tigers" group). We were giving support to the British in helping sink German U-boats in the Atlantic.

But FDR needed an attack on the US in order to overturn isolationist elements in the US. We had a group in Hawaii (Code-named "Magic") which were intercepting encrypted Jap communications.

And on the "Day of Infamy", our obsolete battleships were parked in rows in Pearl. But our carriers, the decisive ship-type for WW2, were far out at sea.

FDR got the incident he needed, at the cost of only a few thousand US lives and some obsolete ships

18 posted on 12/06/2003 6:53:30 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Happiness is a belt-fed weapon)
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To: StriperSniper; aristeides
Perhaps on SONY.

I understand that their "Beta" versus "VHS" format suit remains unsettled and that many documents are under seal via a ruling of the Guam courts. ;-}}

19 posted on 12/06/2003 7:00:58 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: R. Scott; All
You raise an excellent point.

I often use the example of the SS LUSITANIA. At the time of her sinking the Wilson Administration denied that part of her cargo was munitions.

Only after a British underseas film crew released photographs of her true cargo ...yup, tons of contraband munitions, did the US government fess up. The "long lost" original cargo manifest pops up ... it was found behind a filing cabinet.

That "truthfulness" took over sixty years to for the US government to materialize.

In the case of Pearl Harbor ... the wait for "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" ... continues.

20 posted on 12/06/2003 7:12:02 AM PST by jamaksin
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