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Blackout: The Conspiracy Theory
IOL/Popular Mechanics ^ | 12-5-2003 | Jim Wilson

Posted on 12/05/2003 8:30:41 AM PST by blam

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1 posted on 12/05/2003 8:30:41 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
The government is the boy that cried wolf. Government claims of no terrorist involvement are entitled to zero credence.
2 posted on 12/05/2003 8:34:05 AM PST by aristeides
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To: blam
We remained so convinced that at first we ignored as bravado an al-Qaeda claim that they had been behind the outage

This is the first time I've heard this...

3 posted on 12/05/2003 8:35:32 AM PST by Portnoy (Fahrenheit 451...Today's Temperature is hotter than you think...)
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To: blam
Thanks once again Blam, good interesting find.

SA Pop Mechanics?

Pop Mechanics is a very good magazine.
Not PC 'd last time I looked,

as is Pop Science which is a real liberal rag.
4 posted on 12/05/2003 8:43:25 AM PST by inPhase
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To: aristeides
Government claims of no terrorist involvement are entitled to zero credence.

Good point. And yet, we've certainly had plenty of power failures before without any help from terrorists.

Regardless of whether or not AQ was involved with this particular outage or not, the grid has vulnerabilities that can be exploited by terrorists, and these need to be addressed.

5 posted on 12/05/2003 8:45:46 AM PST by white trash redneck
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To: blam
Consider also the big outages in London and Italy within a few weeks afterward
I think they're hacking into the power grid computers
6 posted on 12/05/2003 8:45:59 AM PST by WackyKat
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To: blam
If it was done by terrorists it would have been repeated somewhere else in the country at about the same time or shortly after. Let's not forget that the terrorists intentions are to cripple our economy and destroy it. Had they had the ability to take down one grid they should have had the ability to at least take out a portion of another. To my knowledge no other grid experienced any similar problems.

The intial problem started with a burning wire outside a home and that was caused by a tree falling on it. There has never been a report of evidence that the tree was tampered with or caused to fall over somehow. Since it wasn't that means that the terrorists would have needed to be sitting somewhere constantly monitoring the grid waiting for an opportunity. That's not how they operate. The develop a plan and carry it out, they don't wait for mother nature to complete a part of the plan for them.

7 posted on 12/05/2003 8:54:51 AM PST by Bikers4Bush
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To: blam
I wonder why did this not also appear in the US edition? Censorshp?
8 posted on 12/05/2003 10:10:21 AM PST by opinion8r
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To: opinion8r
"I wonder why did this not also appear in the US edition? Censorship?"

I don't know that it didn't...do you know?

9 posted on 12/05/2003 10:14:47 AM PST by blam
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To: belmont_mark
I believe you expounded upon the SCADA's or other types of hand held remote access devices so prevalent in the power industry on the blackout threads.
10 posted on 12/05/2003 10:25:22 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: blam
You cited the SA edition so I assumed that it was not in the US edition. Maybe I jumped to an incorrect conclusion.
11 posted on 12/05/2003 10:44:24 AM PST by opinion8r
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To: blam
Has everyone read this report?

www.doe.gov/engine/doe/files/dynamic/1282003113351_BlackoutSummary.pdf

I helped write it.

12 posted on 12/05/2003 12:12:09 PM PST by MrNeutron1962
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To: aristeides
Let me add some fule to this fire.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/04/20020423-15.html


April 23, 2002
Remarks by Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge to the Electronics Industries Alliance
Grand Hyatt Hotel
Washington, D.C.



GOVERNOR RIDGE: "Terrorists can sit at one computer connected to one network and can create worldwide havoc -- don't necessarily need bomb or explosives to cripple a sector of the economy, or shutdown a power grid. All a terrorist needs is a weapons of mass destruction. "
13 posted on 12/05/2003 12:17:03 PM PST by OXENinFLA (Islam is like a new Communist infestation akin to what McCarthy exposed.)
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To: MrNeutron1962
Thanks I'll have to read that over the weekend.
14 posted on 12/05/2003 12:22:35 PM PST by OXENinFLA (Islam is like a new Communist infestation akin to what McCarthy exposed.)
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To: blam
This article appears in the December issue of the South African edition of Popular Mechanics

I read this article at least a month ago (I think two or three months ago) in the US edition sent to my home as part of my subscription.

15 posted on 12/05/2003 12:39:57 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
"I read this article at least a month ago (I think two or three months ago) in the US edition sent to my home as part of my subscription."

As did I,maybe a month or two after the outage happened.My wife,who works for a utility,copied it from a copy going around her office.I believe it was a test run by AQ to see the response and timeline for users to go back online.They(AQ) can probably backtrack to see if the holes in the SCADA system are fixed or see if they still now exist.If they do they really slam it hard...JMHO

16 posted on 12/05/2003 2:09:10 PM PST by oust the louse
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To: meyer
Ping for you...
17 posted on 12/05/2003 2:13:15 PM PST by Fury
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To: swarthyguy
Indeed, Dell bragged of selling wireless laptops and LANs to DTE on their web site earlier this year. I found that out with a quick web search on the day of the outage. This line of investigation seems to have been so obvious that any failure to have pursued it immediately could be labelled gross incompetence.

18 posted on 12/05/2003 2:34:13 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: belmont_mark
>>any failure to have pursued it immediately could be labelled gross incompetence.

Otherwise known as preserving the geopolitical strategic "interests" of the US.

Depends on the highup the food chain any investigation is spiked, it could even move to treason except for the point above.



19 posted on 12/05/2003 2:36:36 PM PST by swarthyguy
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