[adam_az]

OK, how about this.

1) Jesus is King.

2) Zeus is King.

3) Bill Clinton is the Second Coming of the Messiah.

Which of these statements is true?

What proof can you present that one statement is true, and the others are false?

None, thats what proof.

Gravity is provable truth. The properties of iron are provable truth. God is not provable, and is entirely based on faith.

The author of this paper rebuts himself, when he says "verbalizing a belief automatically makes it factual," by then going into a THEOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE, something inherently unprovable.

Fact and Truth have no place in theology, because theology at least so far has not been proven using the scientific method, which is the litmus test for "fact."

Theology is Faith and Beleif, not fact.

[Spiff]

Theology is Faith and Beleif, not fact.

Wrong. It is a fact that there is a God despite your refusal to believe it. If there was a box that neither you nor I could reach or measure in any way and I said that there was a cat in the box and you said that there was not, and then the box was opened it turned out there WAS a cat in the box, then my statement was fact and yours was not. You just refused to believe the cat was there.

Until we die or until the second coming of the Messiah, belief in God will be based upon faith - and that is how it should be. God will not allow Himself to be scientifically proven or measured, for then faith would no longer be required. It is by our faith that our worth is proven and when you ultimately realize that the existence of God was a fact all along, it could be too late for you.

[ArGee]

What proof can you present that one statement is true, and the others are false?

Well, the proof of the first is the resurrection.

I do not have proof that the others are false except that they are mutually incompatible with the first. However, if someone wants to offer proof of numbers 2 and 3 I will examine it.

Shalom.

[mrfixit514]

Theology is Faith and Beleif, not fact.

Although Christian beleif must ultimately be based on faith, there are facts which demonstrate that it is true. The Bible itself says that nature declares that there is a God and that no one has an excuse for rejection of God.

[TheSpottedOwl]

OK, how about this.

1) Jesus is King.

2) Zeus is King.

3) Bill Clinton is the Second Coming of the Messiah.

Which of these statements is true?

What proof can you present that one statement is true, and the others are false?

You forgot #4...Lemmy is God.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

[Dataman]

Fact and Truth have no place in theology, because theology at least so far has not been proven using the scientific method, which is the litmus test for "fact".

If I hadn't read your previous posts, I'd think you were joking. Since you do not believe in God, you doubtless believe in evolution which is destroyed by the very scientific method you praise.

If, as you say, the scientific method is the litmust test for "fact", are things outside the reach of materialism false by definition? Did Troy not exist before it was discovered? Is the law of noncontradiction false because it cannot be verified by the scientific method?

Your claim is at least myopic, at most absurd.

[armydoc]

"Gravity is provable truth. The properties of iron are provable truth. God is not provable, and is entirely based on faith."

The Christian belief system is faith founded on historical facts (i.e. hundreds of eye-witnesses, fullfillment of hundreds of prophecies, our very existence, etc), so to say God is not provable is not entirely correct. Yes, faith is required, but God gave us many facts supporting His existence.


"Fact and Truth have no place in theology, because theology at least so far has not been proven using the scientific method, which is the litmus test for "fact." "

You might as well say fact and truth have no place in modern science, because modern science at least so far has not been able to explain the existence of the universe. Ask any athiest physicist, and he would tell you that he is sure that the existence of the universe can be explained without a Creator, but he certainly can't fully explain the details. He may be able to nicely explain basic scientific principals, but certainly cannot prove the origin of our existence. So, a belief that God does not exist also requires an element of faith.