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Children's Hospital Bans Smoking by Staff
The Associated Press ^ | Dec 5, 7:34 AM EST | The Associated Press

Posted on 12/05/2003 5:20:09 AM PST by BenLurkin

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To: carpio
I think smokers today bring a lot of grief on themselves by trying to defend the public act of burning weeds, paper and chemicals (smoking) as some sort of Divine Right. Which it clearly is not.

If you think cigarette addicts defend their habits to the hilt, just visit the marijuana threads. The drug nuts are worse.

41 posted on 12/05/2003 9:48:59 AM PST by Tall_Texan ("Is Rush a Hypocrite?" http://righteverytime2.blogspot.com)
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To: Arkie2
Substitute sexual orientation as a chosen lifestyle then. Same thing. You also can't discriminate on the basis of religion. I contend that's a chosen lifestyle. If the hospital allows anyone to smoke on hospital grounds then they must allow the employees, either that or ban smoking for everyone. It's a case of discrimination pure and simple. You're obviously to simple minded to see it though.

There are various arguments as to whether sexual orientation is chosen or pre-determined at birth. As for religious affliation, yes that would be struck down, erroneously, because of the 1st Amendment. But again, the Bill of Rights sets limitations on GOVERNMENT, not PRIVATE EMPLOYERS. You call me simple-minded (nice personal attack there) when you are the one who fails to see the difference between government and private concerns.

A private employer SHOULD have the right to discriminate. If I were running a business and didn't want to employ Antarcticans, I should be able to. However, any legitimate business would want to employ whomever helps that business to grow the most. So if that means that I ran a business with 100 employees and Martians did the job 100% better than anyone else, then I should have the right to only employ 100 Martians and no one else. I should also, as a private business owner, have the right (since it is my business, not the government's business) to tell them not to smoke or stink of cigarette smoke while on company time because that is unprofessional and they are trying to sell my $100,000/ea widgets to new prospects.

Re-read the article and maybe you will discover that it is a private employer dictating how their employees must conduct themselves while on company time, NOT on their private time. So as soon as their shift ends and they are OFF company property they can light up. But once they return to their shift, they must conduct themselves within the parameters set into place by the employer or they may go find new employment. The 'smoking huts' are segregated areas where non-employees may smoke because these people do not fall under the employment jurisdiction of the employer (hospital).

42 posted on 12/05/2003 9:57:54 AM PST by xrp (The best service 'public servants' can do for the public is to get out of public service.)
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To: Agnes Heep
" . . .nicotine suppository . . ."

Woo-hoo!

43 posted on 12/05/2003 10:04:38 AM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Judith Anne; Admin Moderator
Take that back right now or I'm hitting the abuse button.

Ok, I am sorry, allow me to rephrase it:

But again, you, a drug user, see a "no smoking" sign somewhere and your emotional, knee-jerk Jesse Jackson like response is to cry out that you are being oppressed and that your rights are being trampled on.

It was wrong and incorrect to label you as a drug addict as you obviously can quit anytime you choose. However, by your own admittance, you are a drug user (since cigarettes contain nicotine, a drug)I'm a light smoker, 4-5 per day. Hey, I'm one too! I enjoy a Bud Light beer once a week, which contains alcohol. Alcohol is a drug.

Other than that, there was no profanity, personal attack, racism or violence in that post, in line with FR posting guidelines.

Perhaps you would take some reciprocity and take back You're clueless (34 posted on 12/05/2003 9:15:06 AM PST by Judith Anne)

44 posted on 12/05/2003 10:06:49 AM PST by xrp (The best service 'public servants' can do for the public is to get out of public service.)
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To: Wheee The People; Admin Moderator
Why is it that when it comes to taverns that the smoke advocates loudly scream PROPERTY RIGHTS? Then when it’s about a private property choosing to exercise their rights the argument shifts?

The answer seems to be that it's more about addiction than property rights...

Guess what? Children's Hospital in Columbus, Ohio, has a website, and guess what? I called them, a nice young lady answered, and told me emphatically they are NOT a private hospital.

So I guess this argument isn't and never was about private property rights. Which I didn't think it was.

It's about a habit, smoking, which some people want to call an addiction, and some people want to label smokers as drug addicts. I really resent that--it's an ugly label used to describe a lifestyle choice. It's as offensive as comparing the smell of smoke to intestinal gas. If you want to keep up this baiting, feel free. You have nothing useful to say, either, and will get no more responses from me.

45 posted on 12/05/2003 10:07:18 AM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: xrp
"You call me simple-minded (nice personal attack there)"

Brought it on yourself when you called me Jesse Jackson. If you want civil discourse you should refrain from personal attacks yourself.

46 posted on 12/05/2003 10:15:53 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Judith Anne
It's about a habit, smoking, which some people want to call an addiction

If I was a smoker I wouldn't want it called an addiction either. Still it is one. And if you smoke and can't quit, you are an addict. You can call it a habit all you want.

47 posted on 12/05/2003 10:19:12 AM PST by Wheee The People (If this post doesn't make any sense, then it also doubles as a bump.)
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To: Judith Anne
a lifestyle choice

So if I chose to snort cocaine 4-5 times a day, you know, I'm a light cocaine user, what label, if any, would you slap on me?

It's as offensive as comparing the smell of smoke to intestinal gas.

It is in the best interests of any employer, government or otherwise, who has employees who interact with the public or their customers, to not reek of any stench! That would include body odor, crusty underwear, lack of showering, etc.

Therefore if you want to toke up and you are employed at this hospital, go home on lunch or break, toke up, shower to rid yourself of the stench and return to work.

It's as offensive as comparing the smell of smoke to intestinal gas.

It is also a matter of opinion. How nice to see that whenever you are offended, you go run to the authority figures, instead of trying to reasonably debate. Liberal tactic.

48 posted on 12/05/2003 10:21:00 AM PST by xrp (The best service 'public servants' can do for the public is to get out of public service.)
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To: Arkie2
You're right, I apologise for that.
49 posted on 12/05/2003 10:23:22 AM PST by xrp (The best service 'public servants' can do for the public is to get out of public service.)
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To: xrp
Then accept my aplogies for calling you simple minded.
50 posted on 12/05/2003 10:41:18 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: xrp
So then, you propose to ban the eating of chili?
51 posted on 12/05/2003 10:47:47 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer
Good post. From X's profile:

I favor:

Ending the war on drugs. I do not use drugs and never have, with the exception of consuming alcohol. I just do not believe that government has the right to tell people what they can put into their bodies. As long as people don't smoke pot then go and harm someone, like DRUNK DRIVERS do, there's nothing wrong with them smoking pot. Some people just want to legislate morality. Here I disagree with Republicans. What if government were to outlaw the consumption of steaks?

;-D I guess that the tobacco regs are fine with x, though. No matter who proposes them.

52 posted on 12/05/2003 10:55:20 AM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: Old Professer
Nah, do you?
53 posted on 12/05/2003 10:59:19 AM PST by xrp (/sarcasm)
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To: Judith Anne
;-D

You apparently missed a post of mine. That's funny, it was directed to you.

54 posted on 12/05/2003 11:04:50 AM PST by xrp (/sarcasm)
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To: Agnes Heep

There are a variety of ways to deliver a drug into the bloodstream. Smoking is just the cheapest, dirtiest, and most harmful.

55 posted on 12/05/2003 11:54:14 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: BenLurkin
Ha. When I lived in Minneapolis the gnatzies decided that health care workers weren't allowed to BE smokers period. Not just on hospital property - they were forced to go to smoke ending classes & sign agreements & if they didn't quit within a certain period of time, they became FORMER health care workers. As in, unemployed.
56 posted on 12/05/2003 12:06:03 PM PST by nina0113
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To: nina0113
NO, get out of here. Really?
57 posted on 12/05/2003 12:07:35 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: BenLurkin
Yep - it was back in the 80's too. The anti-smokers said they wanted to make the whole state smokefree by the year 2000. I did my part - I left.
58 posted on 12/05/2003 12:15:03 PM PST by nina0113
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To: Motherbear
"Just the smell of smoke can set off some kids with allergies, asthma and other breathing difficulties."
As does perfume,after shave,hair spray, some skin care items,peanuts, milk,lemons and an endless list of everyday products . How do you suggest that those products be addressed?
Tobacco smokers are being singled out because such action is in vogue. We are a society that is becoming addicted to"do gooder" actions that add some measure of importance and power to otherwise obscure lives.
60 posted on 12/05/2003 5:13:08 PM PST by em2vn
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